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I review my daughters devices regularly. She has encounters extremely predatory content - basically groomers reaching out to see who will bite. As a parent, I

I review my daughters devices regularly. She has encounters extremely predatory content - basically groomers reaching out to see who will bite. As a parent, I have a right to review my childs communications. If she had been using end to end crypto, it’s likely these communications would have auto deleted. That’s the thing about end to end: it isn’t just about a stopping surveillance in real time. It auto destructs the message. That’s makes parental oversight extremely difficult.

pseudalopex 5y ago
The only connection between disappearing messages and end to end encryption is they're both privacy features.
okamiueru 5y ago
Are you reviewing the messages on their devices, or package sniffing at the gateway? I don't see how E2EE has any effect on whether a device/application retains communications or not. A separate argument is that kids experiment and do dumb stuff together with other kids. Forcing them to not be able to do so in private without bad actors collecting images seems like a pretty significant sacrifice in human rights. I get the intention, I just think it is very misguided.
- pyuser583 5y ago
  Lol … a little of both. As I said my daughter came into heavy contact with pedo/grooming material. Nasty stuff. I’m reviewing her devices manually and monitoring her connections via router logs. The two work in tandem. When I see an issue with one I check the other. Once she shows better judgement, I’ll back off and give her more privacy. She’s very young now, and does need the supervision.
commoner 5y ago
Prohibiting minors from using end-to-end encryption would not prevent them from using self-destructing messages, since they are completely different features. There are messaging solutions with end-to-end encryption that do not have self-destructing messages (e.g. E2EE email, Apple iMessages) and vice versa (e.g. Snapchat). As a parent, you have the option to use parental controls to block apps with the self-destructing messages feature. However, other parents may have different parenting situations and styles that do not need this feature to be restricted from their children. Pushing for a feature to be unavailable for all children would infringe on other children's rights and their parents' rights.
withinboredom 5y ago
Do wire-tapping laws not apply to children? That’s what you just admitted to.
bildung 5y ago
> If she had been using end to end crypto, it’s likely these communications would have auto deleted. > That’s the thing about end to end: it isn’t just about a stopping surveillance in real time. It auto destructs the message. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Encryption neither enables nor prevents auto deletion of content.

pseudalopex 5y ago

The only connection between disappearing messages and end to end encryption is they're both privacy features.

okamiueru 5y ago

Are you reviewing the messages on their devices, or package sniffing at the gateway? I don't see how E2EE has any effect on whether a device/application retains communications or not. A separate argument is that kids experiment and do dumb stuff together with other kids. Forcing them to not be able to do so in private without bad actors collecting images seems like a pretty significant sacrifice in human rights. I get the intention, I just think it is very misguided.

pyuser583 5y ago
Lol … a little of both. As I said my daughter came into heavy contact with pedo/grooming material. Nasty stuff. I’m reviewing her devices manually and monitoring her connections via router logs. The two work in tandem. When I see an issue with one I check the other. Once she shows better judgement, I’ll back off and give her more privacy. She’s very young now, and does need the supervision.

commoner 5y ago

Prohibiting minors from using end-to-end encryption would not prevent them from using self-destructing messages, since they are completely different features. There are messaging solutions with end-to-end encryption that do not have self-destructing messages (e.g. E2EE email, Apple iMessages) and vice versa (e.g. Snapchat). As a parent, you have the option to use parental controls to block apps with the self-destructing messages feature. However, other parents may have different parenting situations and styles that do not need this feature to be restricted from their children. Pushing for a feature to be unavailable for all children would infringe on other children's rights and their parents' rights.

withinboredom 5y ago

Do wire-tapping laws not apply to children? That’s what you just admitted to.

bildung 5y ago

> If she had been using end to end crypto, it’s likely these communications would have auto deleted. > That’s the thing about end to end: it isn’t just about a stopping surveillance in real time. It auto destructs the message. Those two things have nothing to do with each other. Encryption neither enables nor prevents auto deletion of content.