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> They reduce the chances of mutation. Perhaps, but you also don't get what I am saying. If we vaccinated everyone, the virus wouldn't be eradicated because an

> They reduce the chances of mutation. Perhaps, but you also don't get what I am saying. If we vaccinated everyone, the virus wouldn't be eradicated because animals can be hosts. Because of that, the evolutionary pressure put on the virus by everyone being vaccinated could result in the virus mutating enough to evade immunity. The same thing happens with flu every year.

lamontcg 5y ago
I never said one word about eradication. You're having an argument with someone who isn't me. If you vaccinate everyone then the near perfect VE against severe disease and hospitalization keeps people out of the hospitals and keeps them from falling over. And that is sufficient. I never said anything about eradicating the virus or eliminating all infection and transmission. But at that point THEN you have hit the point where "its just a flu" arguments can kick in and the virus can do whatever the hell it wants to and the hospital system won't fall over. And due to T-cells and cross-reactive T-cells (and the persistence and lack of waning of T-cells as shown by the SARS-CoV-1 17+ year T-cell persistence) then any future mutation which achieves immune escape from Nabs should still just be "flu" rather than "COVID-22" or whatever. Get everyone vaccinated first, then we're basically done with it as a pandemic. Then you get what you want, which is living with an endemic virus, but one which will have much less disease burden than it currently has in the unvaccinated population. Or put simply, to stop the waves of nearly 100% unvaccinated people dying in hospitals, just vaccinate everyone. No unvaccinated people, no hospitals falling over.
- ghoward 5y ago
  > Or put simply, to stop the waves of nearly 100% unvaccinated people dying in hospitals, just vaccinate everyone. No unvaccinated people, no hospitals falling over. Half of the people getting hospitalized are not getting hospitalized for COVID. They are just testing positive for COVID. And hospitals nearly always run near capacity. And their capacity is also determined by staffing, which is going down because nurses don't want to get vaccinated against a virus they are probably immune to. All factors matter. You can't just claim vaccination would be a panacea, even if it appears that way.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    > Half of the people getting hospitalized are not getting hospitalized for COVID. They are just testing positive for COVID. Yeah this myth again. You're not "doing your own research" you're just regurgitating talking points. I'm entirely done here.
    - ghoward 5y ago
      > Yeah this myth again. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hos...

lamontcg 5y ago

I never said one word about eradication. You're having an argument with someone who isn't me. If you vaccinate everyone then the near perfect VE against severe disease and hospitalization keeps people out of the hospitals and keeps them from falling over. And that is sufficient. I never said anything about eradicating the virus or eliminating all infection and transmission. But at that point THEN you have hit the point where "its just a flu" arguments can kick in and the virus can do whatever the hell it wants to and the hospital system won't fall over. And due to T-cells and cross-reactive T-cells (and the persistence and lack of waning of T-cells as shown by the SARS-CoV-1 17+ year T-cell persistence) then any future mutation which achieves immune escape from Nabs should still just be "flu" rather than "COVID-22" or whatever. Get everyone vaccinated first, then we're basically done with it as a pandemic. Then you get what you want, which is living with an endemic virus, but one which will have much less disease burden than it currently has in the unvaccinated population. Or put simply, to stop the waves of nearly 100% unvaccinated people dying in hospitals, just vaccinate everyone. No unvaccinated people, no hospitals falling over.

ghoward 5y ago
> Or put simply, to stop the waves of nearly 100% unvaccinated people dying in hospitals, just vaccinate everyone. No unvaccinated people, no hospitals falling over. Half of the people getting hospitalized are not getting hospitalized for COVID. They are just testing positive for COVID. And hospitals nearly always run near capacity. And their capacity is also determined by staffing, which is going down because nurses don't want to get vaccinated against a virus they are probably immune to. All factors matter. You can't just claim vaccination would be a panacea, even if it appears that way.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  > Half of the people getting hospitalized are not getting hospitalized for COVID. They are just testing positive for COVID. Yeah this myth again. You're not "doing your own research" you're just regurgitating talking points. I'm entirely done here.
  - ghoward 5y ago
    > Yeah this myth again. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hos...