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Is that a joke? If China invades Taiwan and the nuclear umbrella is proven to be a fraud, the entire world order will come to a screeching halt as Japan and Sou

Is that a joke? If China invades Taiwan and the nuclear umbrella is proven to be a fraud, the entire world order will come to a screeching halt as Japan and South Korea kick off an asia-wide arms race, because they have to. And that's assuming Kim does nothing at all.

rixed 5y ago
Honestly, what actual world order ?
- jiggawatts 5y ago
  The World Order where small countries aren't simply annexed by superpowers, like it used to happen during the WWI and WWII era. Has the US increased the number of its states any time recently? No. Meanwhile, Russia just waltzed into Crimea and is threatening the rest of Ukraine. China annexed Tibet, then just skipped a few decades of the planned transition of Hong Kong, going straight to the "one China" step and jailing anyone who has different ideas. They're now threating to take over the entire South China sea, and I guarantee you Taiwan is next. Just because of TSMC alone it's incredibly valuable to their long term plans. China has clearly stated these ambitions, and then followed through with military action repeatedly. Just recently, they imposed trade sanctions on Australia that ended tens of billions of dollars worth of exports simply because our PM had the wherewithal to suggest that it might be a good idea to investigate the origins of the Coronavirus. When interviewed on TV, their diplomat directly threatened us, saying that our behaviour is unacceptable and has "consequences". This was not normal for decades. Russia and China want to go back to the "before times" when superpowers went to war to divvy up small countries in between them. Now the "consequences" are that the little guys are tooling up with nukes. This is the new World Order forming, and China is directly responsible for it happening.
  - rixed 5y ago
    Direct land acquisition is out of fashion only because there are better ways of control. That "world order" is indistinguishable from the systematic use of force and economic sanctions to make sure the "little guys" comply with the agenda of the big one. I feel stupid to have to phrase such a banality, hopefully you are not just acting naive? Edit: Indeed, the big one may slowly be losing its advantage due to China development, leading to some readjustment. We should have little preference though, as to which world disorder we prefer.
refurb 5y ago
The fact this downvoted shows the level of discourse on HN. Anyone paying even a little bit of attention to the situation in Asia Pacific knows this is accurate. Old enemies are finding common ground in opposition to China.
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  It's going to come as a big shock to a lot of people that the two major global superpowers aren't actually friends, even if people in the technology space all think otherwise.
bsd44 5y ago
Is this a joke? And what exactly is Australia (and UK and USA) going to do should China invade Taiwan? Please tell me, I am dying to know. They couldn't beat barefoot Taliban in 20 year's time, do you really think Five Eyes have any capacity for a full blown war with a nuclear power such as China? Please just stop with this nonsense. The only real enemy these countries have are their governments.

rixed 5y ago

Honestly, what actual world order ?

jiggawatts 5y ago
The World Order where small countries aren't simply annexed by superpowers, like it used to happen during the WWI and WWII era. Has the US increased the number of its states any time recently? No. Meanwhile, Russia just waltzed into Crimea and is threatening the rest of Ukraine. China annexed Tibet, then just skipped a few decades of the planned transition of Hong Kong, going straight to the "one China" step and jailing anyone who has different ideas. They're now threating to take over the entire South China sea, and I guarantee you Taiwan is next. Just because of TSMC alone it's incredibly valuable to their long term plans. China has clearly stated these ambitions, and then followed through with military action repeatedly. Just recently, they imposed trade sanctions on Australia that ended tens of billions of dollars worth of exports simply because our PM had the wherewithal to suggest that it might be a good idea to investigate the origins of the Coronavirus. When interviewed on TV, their diplomat directly threatened us, saying that our behaviour is unacceptable and has "consequences". This was not normal for decades. Russia and China want to go back to the "before times" when superpowers went to war to divvy up small countries in between them. Now the "consequences" are that the little guys are tooling up with nukes. This is the new World Order forming, and China is directly responsible for it happening.
- rixed 5y ago
  Direct land acquisition is out of fashion only because there are better ways of control. That "world order" is indistinguishable from the systematic use of force and economic sanctions to make sure the "little guys" comply with the agenda of the big one. I feel stupid to have to phrase such a banality, hopefully you are not just acting naive? Edit: Indeed, the big one may slowly be losing its advantage due to China development, leading to some readjustment. We should have little preference though, as to which world disorder we prefer.

refurb 5y ago

The fact this downvoted shows the level of discourse on HN. Anyone paying even a little bit of attention to the situation in Asia Pacific knows this is accurate. Old enemies are finding common ground in opposition to China.

King-Aaron 5y ago
It's going to come as a big shock to a lot of people that the two major global superpowers aren't actually friends, even if people in the technology space all think otherwise.

bsd44 5y ago

Is this a joke? And what exactly is Australia (and UK and USA) going to do should China invade Taiwan? Please tell me, I am dying to know. They couldn't beat barefoot Taliban in 20 year's time, do you really think Five Eyes have any capacity for a full blown war with a nuclear power such as China? Please just stop with this nonsense. The only real enemy these countries have are their governments.