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> The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. > The Bolt, with every bell and whistle s

> The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. > The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison. And still lacks an L2 charger, one comparable to the one included with the Model 3 costs another $1000. So for $38k you can get a vehicle that isn't quite as nice as the base Model 3 for a $3k premium.

Alupis 5y ago
> But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. FSD is nearly all Musk talks about. In fact, I'd argue it's Tesla fudging the numbers by breaking FSD out into a separate line item, just so they can advertise a cheaper car knowing full well people expect to have FSD for that price.
- cptskippy 5y ago
  > I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. I mean even if there weren't data showing that as completely untrue... https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-self-driving-package/ https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-s... ... then why would Tesla bother to offer FSD as a subscription service if everyone is buying it?
  - Alupis 5y ago
    Well, I stand corrected. My guess is the sticker price shocks people into not choosing it then. Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving... It's notable the FSD survey had a peak in 2019 - perhaps 2020+ is impacted by covid related things (reduction of income, etc). Or, perhaps it's being influence by monthly stories of Tesla's driving into parked objects and the like. Still, it was a tactic to break FSD into a separate line item so marketing could tell everyone the cars were cheaper than assumed.
    - rootusrootus 5y ago
      > Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving... I hope not, or Tesla's reputation is going to take a hell of a beating when they learn the reality.
rootusrootus 5y ago
> And still lacks an L2 charger The charger included with the bolt is 240V capable, though they don't really advertise it AFAIK. > for $38k MSRP on the Bolt is $31K. Historically they've routinely been available for under $25K. And you know what the Bolt has that the Tesla doesn't? CarPlay. And good windshield wiper controls. The Tesla has some upsides, for sure, I mostly enjoyed mine (primarily for it's speed, however). But at $25K vs $35K, I'd get the Bolt every time.
- spear 5y ago
  I believe the included EVSE on the 2022 Bolt EUV now officially supports 240V. Also, for the 2022 EV and EUV, GM will pay for an L2 outlet installation at home.

Alupis 5y ago

> But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. FSD is nearly all Musk talks about. In fact, I'd argue it's Tesla fudging the numbers by breaking FSD out into a separate line item, just so they can advertise a cheaper car knowing full well people expect to have FSD for that price.

cptskippy 5y ago
> I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. I mean even if there weren't data showing that as completely untrue... https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-self-driving-package/ https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-s... ... then why would Tesla bother to offer FSD as a subscription service if everyone is buying it?
- Alupis 5y ago
  Well, I stand corrected. My guess is the sticker price shocks people into not choosing it then. Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving... It's notable the FSD survey had a peak in 2019 - perhaps 2020+ is impacted by covid related things (reduction of income, etc). Or, perhaps it's being influence by monthly stories of Tesla's driving into parked objects and the like. Still, it was a tactic to break FSD into a separate line item so marketing could tell everyone the cars were cheaper than assumed.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    > Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving... I hope not, or Tesla's reputation is going to take a hell of a beating when they learn the reality.

rootusrootus 5y ago

> And still lacks an L2 charger The charger included with the bolt is 240V capable, though they don't really advertise it AFAIK. > for $38k MSRP on the Bolt is $31K. Historically they've routinely been available for under $25K. And you know what the Bolt has that the Tesla doesn't? CarPlay. And good windshield wiper controls. The Tesla has some upsides, for sure, I mostly enjoyed mine (primarily for it's speed, however). But at $25K vs $35K, I'd get the Bolt every time.

spear 5y ago
I believe the included EVSE on the 2022 Bolt EUV now officially supports 240V. Also, for the 2022 EV and EUV, GM will pay for an L2 outlet installation at home.