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Just to clarify here. no pedestrians were hit, and no one died. I am curious how many people died on the first airplanes and commercial airline travel ( from 1

Just to clarify here. no pedestrians were hit, and no one died. I am curious how many people died on the first airplanes and commercial airline travel ( from 1900 - 1950's ) Do you suggest that the government should have made commercial airline travel illegal until there were zero accidents?

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
No, lmilcin didn't suggest that. And your analogy is imperfect. How many people died on the ground from airplane crashes from 1900-1950? Probably, not very many. (Why does the difference matter? The passengers got on the plane, knowing - at least approximately - what the risks were. The people on the ground didn't voluntarily accept any risk.)
- lmilcin 5y ago
  I assume everybody understands there WILL be deaths due to AI making some kind of mistake. It is just a consequence of billions of cars making trillions of trips. But at the very least we should have a clear, reliable solution for all the easy cases. Let's summarize: - clear, sunny day -- check, - but not blinded by the sun -- check, - slow speeds -- check, - clearly marked intersection -- check, - pedestrians not acting stupid -- check, - not trying to avoid hitting another vehicle -- check. Just make sure under no circumstances the car is allowed to turn into a path of a pedestrians like that. And if it can't reliably detect pedestrians or their path in perfect conditions like these I can only conclude it is far from being ready.
- void_mint 5y ago
  > No, lmilcin didn't suggest that. They posted this: > Yes, killing pedestrians is not perfect. In a thread about a video in which an autonomous vehicle did not kill any pedestrians.
lmilcin 5y ago
> Just to clarify here. no pedestrians were hit, and no one died. That because it drove slowly and the supervisor took IMMEDIATE control of the car. But it looked like it had every intention to drive into these people. > Do you suggest that the government should have made commercial airline travel illegal until there were zero accidents? No. I suggest that government should ground commercial airplanes when they make stupid software mistakes that kill people. Oh, actually they already do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings
sumedh 5y ago
We dont live in 1900 - 1950's, the standard of safety has improved. Would you have the same opinion if a self driving car killed your loved one?

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

No, lmilcin didn't suggest that. And your analogy is imperfect. How many people died on the ground from airplane crashes from 1900-1950? Probably, not very many. (Why does the difference matter? The passengers got on the plane, knowing - at least approximately - what the risks were. The people on the ground didn't voluntarily accept any risk.)

lmilcin 5y ago
I assume everybody understands there WILL be deaths due to AI making some kind of mistake. It is just a consequence of billions of cars making trillions of trips. But at the very least we should have a clear, reliable solution for all the easy cases. Let's summarize: - clear, sunny day -- check, - but not blinded by the sun -- check, - slow speeds -- check, - clearly marked intersection -- check, - pedestrians not acting stupid -- check, - not trying to avoid hitting another vehicle -- check. Just make sure under no circumstances the car is allowed to turn into a path of a pedestrians like that. And if it can't reliably detect pedestrians or their path in perfect conditions like these I can only conclude it is far from being ready.
void_mint 5y ago
> No, lmilcin didn't suggest that. They posted this: > Yes, killing pedestrians is not perfect. In a thread about a video in which an autonomous vehicle did not kill any pedestrians.

lmilcin 5y ago

> Just to clarify here. no pedestrians were hit, and no one died. That because it drove slowly and the supervisor took IMMEDIATE control of the car. But it looked like it had every intention to drive into these people. > Do you suggest that the government should have made commercial airline travel illegal until there were zero accidents? No. I suggest that government should ground commercial airplanes when they make stupid software mistakes that kill people. Oh, actually they already do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX_groundings

sumedh 5y ago

We dont live in 1900 - 1950's, the standard of safety has improved. Would you have the same opinion if a self driving car killed your loved one?