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The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. Even the Model 3, with it's base price of $35k, runs you around $50k after choosing a color and ad

by Alupis 5y ago

The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. Even the Model 3, with it's base price of $35k, runs you around $50k after choosing a color and adding the FSD package. For a $50,000 car, they are really not built well, quality-wise. The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison.

ksm1717 5y ago
Eyes on the ball. Bolt is a beat car. We are talking Volt and Tesla. I agree with your sentiment regardless
reducesuffering 5y ago
This discussion was about the Volt, Chevy's old PHEV (plug in), not the Bolt EV.
- Alupis 5y ago
  My mistake, the article is about the Bolt.
  - ksm1717 5y ago
    Exactly my point! It’s a shame that the bolt (a car of indiscriminate quality) has been so named as to cause this confusion with the volt, (a car of discriminate quality).
cptskippy 5y ago
> The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. > The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison. And still lacks an L2 charger, one comparable to the one included with the Model 3 costs another $1000. So for $38k you can get a vehicle that isn't quite as nice as the base Model 3 for a $3k premium.
- Alupis 5y ago
  > But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. FSD is nearly all Musk talks about. In fact, I'd argue it's Tesla fudging the numbers by breaking FSD out into a separate line item, just so they can advertise a cheaper car knowing full well people expect to have FSD for that price.
  - cptskippy 5y ago
    > I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. I mean even if there weren't data showing that as completely untrue... https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-self-driving-package/ https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-s... ... then why would Tesla bother to offer FSD as a subscription service if everyone is buying it?
    - Alupis 5y ago
      Well, I stand corrected. My guess is the sticker price shocks people into not choosing it then. Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving... It's notable the FSD survey had a peak in 2019 - perhaps 2020+ is impacted by covid related things (reduction of income, etc). Or, perhaps it's being influence by monthly stories of Tesla's driving into parked objects and the like. Still, it was a tactic to break FSD into a separate line item so marketing could tell everyone the cars were cheaper than assumed.
      - rootusrootus 5y ago
        > Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving... I hope not, or Tesla's reputation is going to take a hell of a beating when they learn the reality.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  > And still lacks an L2 charger The charger included with the bolt is 240V capable, though they don't really advertise it AFAIK. > for $38k MSRP on the Bolt is $31K. Historically they've routinely been available for under $25K. And you know what the Bolt has that the Tesla doesn't? CarPlay. And good windshield wiper controls. The Tesla has some upsides, for sure, I mostly enjoyed mine (primarily for it's speed, however). But at $25K vs $35K, I'd get the Bolt every time.
seattle_spring 5y ago
Does Bolt have something equivalent to FSD? If not, why are you including it in the price comparison? Isn't the Bolt also dog slow compared to a Model 3? I'd also assume it's handling and suspension is markedly shitbox compared to any Tesla as well.
- vel0city 5y ago
  Somewhat, it has Super Cruise which is hands-free driving on highways. They're not trying to handle intersections, just the simpler long-haul kind of highway driving. It is a similar thing with Ford's Blue Cruise.
  - nickik 5y ago
    Bolt doesn't have Super Cruise unless I'm totally misinformed.
    - vel0city 5y ago
      The Bolt EV only has Adaptive Cruise Control optional but the Bolt EUV can be optioned with Super Cruise. Its the second card on the website. https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-euv https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-euv

by Alupis 5y ago

ksm1717 5y ago

Eyes on the ball. Bolt is a beat car. We are talking Volt and Tesla. I agree with your sentiment regardless

reducesuffering 5y ago

This discussion was about the Volt, Chevy's old PHEV (plug in), not the Bolt EV.

Alupis 5y ago
My mistake, the article is about the Bolt.
- ksm1717 5y ago
  Exactly my point! It’s a shame that the bolt (a car of indiscriminate quality) has been so named as to cause this confusion with the volt, (a car of discriminate quality).

cptskippy 5y ago

> The Bolt isn't priced like a BMW though, while the Tesla is. But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. > The Bolt, with every bell and whistle selected, runs about $37,000, for comparison. And still lacks an L2 charger, one comparable to the one included with the Model 3 costs another $1000. So for $38k you can get a vehicle that isn't quite as nice as the base Model 3 for a $3k premium.

Alupis 5y ago
> But only when you fudge the numbers by including FSD. I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. FSD is nearly all Musk talks about. In fact, I'd argue it's Tesla fudging the numbers by breaking FSD out into a separate line item, just so they can advertise a cheaper car knowing full well people expect to have FSD for that price.
- cptskippy 5y ago
  > I don't think this is fudging at all. Tesla's big selling point is the FSD package... and most people select it by default. I mean even if there weren't data showing that as completely untrue... https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-self-driving-package/ https://electrek.co/2021/08/31/tesla-survey-take-rate-full-s... ... then why would Tesla bother to offer FSD as a subscription service if everyone is buying it?
  - Alupis 5y ago
    Well, I stand corrected. My guess is the sticker price shocks people into not choosing it then. Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving... It's notable the FSD survey had a peak in 2019 - perhaps 2020+ is impacted by covid related things (reduction of income, etc). Or, perhaps it's being influence by monthly stories of Tesla's driving into parked objects and the like. Still, it was a tactic to break FSD into a separate line item so marketing could tell everyone the cars were cheaper than assumed.
    - rootusrootus 5y ago
      > Most people I've spoken with equate Tesla with self driving... I hope not, or Tesla's reputation is going to take a hell of a beating when they learn the reality.
rootusrootus 5y ago
> And still lacks an L2 charger The charger included with the bolt is 240V capable, though they don't really advertise it AFAIK. > for $38k MSRP on the Bolt is $31K. Historically they've routinely been available for under $25K. And you know what the Bolt has that the Tesla doesn't? CarPlay. And good windshield wiper controls. The Tesla has some upsides, for sure, I mostly enjoyed mine (primarily for it's speed, however). But at $25K vs $35K, I'd get the Bolt every time.

seattle_spring 5y ago

Does Bolt have something equivalent to FSD? If not, why are you including it in the price comparison? Isn't the Bolt also dog slow compared to a Model 3? I'd also assume it's handling and suspension is markedly shitbox compared to any Tesla as well.

vel0city 5y ago
Somewhat, it has Super Cruise which is hands-free driving on highways. They're not trying to handle intersections, just the simpler long-haul kind of highway driving. It is a similar thing with Ford's Blue Cruise.
- nickik 5y ago
  Bolt doesn't have Super Cruise unless I'm totally misinformed.
  - vel0city 5y ago
    The Bolt EV only has Adaptive Cruise Control optional but the Bolt EUV can be optioned with Super Cruise. Its the second card on the website. https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-euv https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-euv