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If you have to anxiously hover your hands over the wheel constantly like the driver is in this video, is it really helpful even if it doesn't crash? I don't own

If you have to anxiously hover your hands over the wheel constantly like the driver is in this video, is it really helpful even if it doesn't crash? I don't own a Tesla, curious how other drivers are when on Autopilot.

notJim 5y ago
This is the city-driving beta that's only available to a small number of people. I have read that at this point, it is more stressful than driving yourself, but it is not yet at the point where anything more is expected.
- alkonaut 5y ago
  Assuming it stays in limited beta until safer than humans (statistically causing 1/10th as many accidents or some acceptable level like that) and until people actually feel measurably more relaxed when using it before it’s released to the public. Who then believes it will even be this decade?
shepherdjerred 5y ago
Test driving a Tesla Model 3 with autopilot last year was one of the most stressful experiences I’ve ever had. It’s not at all intuitive, and I had no idea what autopilot would/wouldn’t handle.
- aclatuts 5y ago
  It might be worth it for Tesla to build a voice system to tell the driver what manoeuvres the car will be doing soon. Although implementing might be just as hard as self driving in the first place.
  - Doxin 5y ago
    I feel like if they could manage to get the self driving system to make a plan and stick to it it'd be a better driver already. In so many of these videos you can see the car dithering between two or more options, with the whole car doing these jittery unsure steering motions. At least if it would pick a damn option it'd have a 50/50 chance of picking the right one.
yakkityyak 5y ago
The cognitive load of using FSD in a city honestly seems more than driving yourself. The car is no longer an extension of yourself, where you navigate the road carefully. Instead you are constantly trying to predict and determine if FSD is going to screw up, and how to quickly react to said screw up.
- camjohnson26 5y ago
  The way it fails is non intuitive too, reposting this list of videos from below: https://twitter.com/28delayslater/status/1437866328950517768?s=20 https://twitter.com/28delayslater/status/1437866328950517768... https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437367617468129280?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437367617468129280?s... https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437385266046586890?s=20 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437385266046586890?s=... https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437328015789367297?s=20 https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437328015789367297?s=20 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437405124004089863?s=20 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437405124004089863?s=... https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437043592560791552?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437043592560791552?s... https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437048381042475008?s=20 https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437048381042475008?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1436806907663159299?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1436806907663159299?s...
- npteljes 5y ago
  This is what I don't get at all about autopilot. It's fantastic that it can do X, but if I have to supervise and also take full responsibility, then what's my benefit? That I get to babysit the latest shiny tech? It either takes off the mental load of me paying attention to the road, or I'll drive myself.
bfung 5y ago
Recently got a Tesla without Full Self Driving (FSD) for many reasons (it's $10k for a full install as one). Autopilot is now like a product name that has several features and FSD is a different beast. Within Autopilot, there's an Autosteer (Beta) feature. The Autosteer seems to work decently well on highway without hover hands, but it does require no sharp turns and any traffic or stop and go isn't what it was built for. I can def. see it nice when doing longer road trips. That said, I've turned Autosteer on several times and maybe 70% comfortable with it. It does like to hug the right side of a lane, and when I'm in the very right lane on the freeway with on-ramps and exits, there have been times I didn't want to take any chances and assumed full control of steering, or else it drifts into the exit lane and gets back into the right lane, depending on the road lines and how they're drawn. This is with me having knowledge of how computer vision works - I wonder how anyone w/o tech knowledge can put their full trust into these things or to manage the situations correctly. So even w/o the full FSD feature, I think there's still some work to do on the Autopilot autosteer (it could be a subset of FSD, maybe different ML models all together underneath) - and city driving FSD probably needs even more work. https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#capability-features https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#capability-features
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notJim 5y ago

This is the city-driving beta that's only available to a small number of people. I have read that at this point, it is more stressful than driving yourself, but it is not yet at the point where anything more is expected.

alkonaut 5y ago
Assuming it stays in limited beta until safer than humans (statistically causing 1/10th as many accidents or some acceptable level like that) and until people actually feel measurably more relaxed when using it before it’s released to the public. Who then believes it will even be this decade?

shepherdjerred 5y ago

Test driving a Tesla Model 3 with autopilot last year was one of the most stressful experiences I’ve ever had. It’s not at all intuitive, and I had no idea what autopilot would/wouldn’t handle.

aclatuts 5y ago
It might be worth it for Tesla to build a voice system to tell the driver what manoeuvres the car will be doing soon. Although implementing might be just as hard as self driving in the first place.
- Doxin 5y ago
  I feel like if they could manage to get the self driving system to make a plan and stick to it it'd be a better driver already. In so many of these videos you can see the car dithering between two or more options, with the whole car doing these jittery unsure steering motions. At least if it would pick a damn option it'd have a 50/50 chance of picking the right one.

yakkityyak 5y ago

The cognitive load of using FSD in a city honestly seems more than driving yourself. The car is no longer an extension of yourself, where you navigate the road carefully. Instead you are constantly trying to predict and determine if FSD is going to screw up, and how to quickly react to said screw up.

camjohnson26 5y ago
The way it fails is non intuitive too, reposting this list of videos from below: https://twitter.com/28delayslater/status/1437866328950517768?s=20 https://twitter.com/28delayslater/status/1437866328950517768... https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437367617468129280?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437367617468129280?s... https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437385266046586890?s=20 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437385266046586890?s=... https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437328015789367297?s=20 https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437328015789367297?s=20 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437405124004089863?s=20 https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1437405124004089863?s=... https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437043592560791552?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1437043592560791552?s... https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437048381042475008?s=20 https://twitter.com/bagguley/status/1437048381042475008?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1436806907663159299?s=20 https://twitter.com/BS__Exposed/status/1436806907663159299?s...
npteljes 5y ago
This is what I don't get at all about autopilot. It's fantastic that it can do X, but if I have to supervise and also take full responsibility, then what's my benefit? That I get to babysit the latest shiny tech? It either takes off the mental load of me paying attention to the road, or I'll drive myself.

bfung 5y ago

Recently got a Tesla without Full Self Driving (FSD) for many reasons (it's $10k for a full install as one). Autopilot is now like a product name that has several features and FSD is a different beast. Within Autopilot, there's an Autosteer (Beta) feature. The Autosteer seems to work decently well on highway without hover hands, but it does require no sharp turns and any traffic or stop and go isn't what it was built for. I can def. see it nice when doing longer road trips. That said, I've turned Autosteer on several times and maybe 70% comfortable with it. It does like to hug the right side of a lane, and when I'm in the very right lane on the freeway with on-ramps and exits, there have been times I didn't want to take any chances and assumed full control of steering, or else it drifts into the exit lane and gets back into the right lane, depending on the road lines and how they're drawn. This is with me having knowledge of how computer vision works - I wonder how anyone w/o tech knowledge can put their full trust into these things or to manage the situations correctly. So even w/o the full FSD feature, I think there's still some work to do on the Autopilot autosteer (it could be a subset of FSD, maybe different ML models all together underneath) - and city driving FSD probably needs even more work. https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#capability-features https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot#capability-features

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