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All of the vaccines in use have gone through massive and extensive trials specifically for the prevention of COVID-19. Trials started over 18 months ago. Have h

All of the vaccines in use have gone through massive and extensive trials specifically for the prevention of COVID-19. Trials started over 18 months ago. Have hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin completed such rigorous testing, specifically for the treatment of COVID-19? The answer is an unqualified "no".

dragontamer 5y ago
More accurately: both Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have been tested. And in both cases, they suck at treating COVID19 (roughly equivalent to placebo and/or weaker than current standard of care). I listed the ivermectin review in my post earlier. HCQ is reviewed here by the NIH: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-... The fact of the matter is: HCQ and IVM have been extensively studied. They've been fully rejected based off of evidence. When a treatment works (ex: cheap corticosteroids like dexamethasone), the NIH announces and the hospitals start using it immediately. ---------- Vaccines, dexamethasone, and monoclonal antibodies all work. So all hospitals are offering these services to any COVID19 patient. IVM, HCQ and other "alternative treatments" are snake-oil bullshit.
- winocm 5y ago
  Correct. HCQ only works in vitro with Vero cells that do not express TMPRSS2. It stops working once you start expressing the gene.
bananabiscuit 5y ago
Obviously the vaccines weren’t studied enough if we are only finding out now that certain age groups might be at more risk from vaccine side effects than from covid itself (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r...) OPs Lancet article shows there is not a consensus on effectivity of boosters, but you will never hear that from the left media. I understand science is a process, and things that we might think are true/false/undetermined now might change based on new evidence. My complaint isn’t that scientist aren’t magically getting everything right first try, but that there is clear bias in the media towards some narrative and while most people happily will take that for granted with right wing news sources, they think left wing news sources are somehow immune to spreading misinformation.
Covzire 5y ago
Why is Israel having such a hard time with the pandemic despite their relatively high vaccination rate? https://www.newsweek.com/israel-world-leader-vaccine-booster-shots-hit-surge-covid-cases-1629310 https://www.newsweek.com/israel-world-leader-vaccine-booster... Shouldn't we be seeing the exact opposite if the current crop of vaccines were the best solution?
- bhickey 5y ago
  From the article: because children are unvaccinated.
- prox 5y ago
  They were the first to vaccinate, and because of the relatively first two shots being close together, a third booster is needed. They see good results from that. Studies show having the vaccines wider apart gives longer and stronger immune response. I believe this effect is not exclusive to covid vaccines.
- standardUser 5y ago
  Israel has a moderately higher vaccination rate than the US and currently has close to 50% fewer deaths per capita from COVID. I wish the US was doing as well a Israel right now! Hundreds and hundreds of Americans would not be dying every single day if we were.
platonis 5y ago
Have you ever considered the possibility that some of these shots may contain custom mRNAs with a different purpose? Because, if there was a genuine push to prevent ICU patients, then the general population would have been required to be tested for vitamin D deficiency and given supplements accordingly. Specially because it has been shown that not being deficient cuts the ICU risk in half. What about NAC to counter act the oxidative stress early on when symptoms start?
- jdhn 5y ago
  There also would've been a concerted push for obese people to lose weight. My hot take is that the deaths in the US have been higher than in other countries due to obesity, and that many lives could've been saved if they weren't fat.
  - platonis 5y ago
    The obese tend to have have vitamin D deficiency and higher oxidative stress
- robbiep 5y ago
  Rather than just posing an open ended conspiratorial hypothesis that has no evidence (it is trivial for anyone to get hold of a vial and sequence the mRNA to actually test your absurd hypothesis) do you have a proposed endgame for ‘custom mRNAs’ to what must be a vast conspiracy involving thousands of scientists?
  - platonis 5y ago
    You don't have to involve them, just insert custom sequences with defined purposes mixed with the real vaccine. I am not saying it's happening but don't you think it's a bit odd to see such a big push for a vaccine and not for other proven strategies such preventing vit D deficiency and giving NAC to decrease oxidative stress? The directive seems to be to vaccinate the entire population, not to prevent deaths.
  - robbiep 5y ago

dragontamer 5y ago

More accurately: both Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin have been tested. And in both cases, they suck at treating COVID19 (roughly equivalent to placebo and/or weaker than current standard of care). I listed the ivermectin review in my post earlier. HCQ is reviewed here by the NIH: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-2b/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/table-... The fact of the matter is: HCQ and IVM have been extensively studied. They've been fully rejected based off of evidence. When a treatment works (ex: cheap corticosteroids like dexamethasone), the NIH announces and the hospitals start using it immediately. ---------- Vaccines, dexamethasone, and monoclonal antibodies all work. So all hospitals are offering these services to any COVID19 patient. IVM, HCQ and other "alternative treatments" are snake-oil bullshit.

winocm 5y ago
Correct. HCQ only works in vitro with Vero cells that do not express TMPRSS2. It stops working once you start expressing the gene.

bananabiscuit 5y ago

Obviously the vaccines weren’t studied enough if we are only finding out now that certain age groups might be at more risk from vaccine side effects than from covid itself (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r...) OPs Lancet article shows there is not a consensus on effectivity of boosters, but you will never hear that from the left media. I understand science is a process, and things that we might think are true/false/undetermined now might change based on new evidence. My complaint isn’t that scientist aren’t magically getting everything right first try, but that there is clear bias in the media towards some narrative and while most people happily will take that for granted with right wing news sources, they think left wing news sources are somehow immune to spreading misinformation.

Covzire 5y ago

Why is Israel having such a hard time with the pandemic despite their relatively high vaccination rate? https://www.newsweek.com/israel-world-leader-vaccine-booster-shots-hit-surge-covid-cases-1629310 https://www.newsweek.com/israel-world-leader-vaccine-booster... Shouldn't we be seeing the exact opposite if the current crop of vaccines were the best solution?

bhickey 5y ago
From the article: because children are unvaccinated.
prox 5y ago
They were the first to vaccinate, and because of the relatively first two shots being close together, a third booster is needed. They see good results from that. Studies show having the vaccines wider apart gives longer and stronger immune response. I believe this effect is not exclusive to covid vaccines.
standardUser 5y ago
Israel has a moderately higher vaccination rate than the US and currently has close to 50% fewer deaths per capita from COVID. I wish the US was doing as well a Israel right now! Hundreds and hundreds of Americans would not be dying every single day if we were.

platonis 5y ago

Have you ever considered the possibility that some of these shots may contain custom mRNAs with a different purpose? Because, if there was a genuine push to prevent ICU patients, then the general population would have been required to be tested for vitamin D deficiency and given supplements accordingly. Specially because it has been shown that not being deficient cuts the ICU risk in half. What about NAC to counter act the oxidative stress early on when symptoms start?

jdhn 5y ago
There also would've been a concerted push for obese people to lose weight. My hot take is that the deaths in the US have been higher than in other countries due to obesity, and that many lives could've been saved if they weren't fat.
- platonis 5y ago
  The obese tend to have have vitamin D deficiency and higher oxidative stress
robbiep 5y ago
Rather than just posing an open ended conspiratorial hypothesis that has no evidence (it is trivial for anyone to get hold of a vial and sequence the mRNA to actually test your absurd hypothesis) do you have a proposed endgame for ‘custom mRNAs’ to what must be a vast conspiracy involving thousands of scientists?
- platonis 5y ago
  You don't have to involve them, just insert custom sequences with defined purposes mixed with the real vaccine. I am not saying it's happening but don't you think it's a bit odd to see such a big push for a vaccine and not for other proven strategies such preventing vit D deficiency and giving NAC to decrease oxidative stress? The directive seems to be to vaccinate the entire population, not to prevent deaths.
- robbiep 5y ago