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There is such ignorance and arrogance on the coasts about places like West Virginia. The state is extremely poor and coal is still a massively important indust

There is such ignorance and arrogance on the coasts about places like West Virginia. The state is extremely poor and coal is still a massively important industry. Manchin is driving a bargain and is representing his people, who've ruined their economy and environment powering the rest of the country for the last 100 years. The rest of the country needs to help make the impact on coal country manageable as part of the transition to clean energy.

mistrial9 5y ago
> There is such ignorance and arrogance on the coasts about places like West Virginia. yes, agree > The state is extremely poor ok > coal is still a massively important industry similar arguments could be made for plenty of industry, historically.. even going back 200 years > Manchin is driving a bargain and is representing his people you are dramatically off-base on this. People do not form industry, companies, their executives and stakeholders form industry. Individuals are paid wages and then also have expenses, for example to their landlords, and also a company store perhaps? > who've ruined their economy and environment many lives are suffering now, and in the past, agree > powering the rest of the country for the last 100 years wasted water, electricity and money, are not unique to our age > The rest of the country needs to help make the impact on coal country that has been an explicit goal for union organizers, environmentalists, policy makers and is a core reason to have a common governance. Your emotional appeal is probably well-meaning, but.. falls apart quickly. King Coal - your time is over
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- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  > People do not form industry, companies, their executives and stakeholders form industry. Peoples' jobs are a part of industry. It's not just the CEOs and shareholders. And the point was, Manchin is not just representing CEOs. He's representing little peoples' jobs. At this point, you were kind of ignoring what pirate787 was actually saying, and therefore your reply was rather wasted. > ... and also a company store perhaps? This just looks like smear tactics. Are there any company stores in 2021? I'm pretty sure they're at least quite rare.
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  - cronix 5y ago
    Nike: https://travelswithelle.com/budgeting/nike-employee-store-beaverton-oregon/ https://travelswithelle.com/budgeting/nike-employee-store-be...
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      OK, but neither Nike nor Disney is what the term "company store" usually implies (especially in a coal mining context). It's a place that you have to use, and that overcharges you.
- gaze 5y ago
  parent sounds like they drank the J.D. Vance koolaid :/
causi 5y ago
The coal industry already gets four billion dollars a year in direct subsidies. They've been ruining our atmosphere, poisoning our rivers, and interfering with environmental protection for decades in order to line their own pockets. I wouldn't hand West Virginia a parachute any sooner than I'd bail out a meth dealer.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  The parent isn't talking about bailing out the coal industry, but West Virginians transition their economy from fossil fuels to something that actually benefits the country.
jeffbee 5y ago
Mining is the 9th-largest industry in West Virginia and employs 2% of its workforce. You could pay each and every miner in America $100k/year - double what they normally make - to just stay home and it would cost almost nothing, compared to the externalized costs of burning coal.
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throwaway894345 5y ago
Manchin also has a lot of his personal wealth invested in coal power, so I don't think he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart (and if he believed that this bill wasn't necessary b/c utilities are moving away from coal, why is he so invested in it?). To your point, you're right that WV is poor and coal-dependent, and I'm open to solutions for helping "coal country" transition.
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gaze 5y ago
West Virginians as I understand it largely hate Joe Manchin. It's just that any of his competitors are worse (somehow) or get outspent by several orders of magnitude.

mistrial9 5y ago

> There is such ignorance and arrogance on the coasts about places like West Virginia. yes, agree > The state is extremely poor ok > coal is still a massively important industry similar arguments could be made for plenty of industry, historically.. even going back 200 years > Manchin is driving a bargain and is representing his people you are dramatically off-base on this. People do not form industry, companies, their executives and stakeholders form industry. Individuals are paid wages and then also have expenses, for example to their landlords, and also a company store perhaps? > who've ruined their economy and environment many lives are suffering now, and in the past, agree > powering the rest of the country for the last 100 years wasted water, electricity and money, are not unique to our age > The rest of the country needs to help make the impact on coal country that has been an explicit goal for union organizers, environmentalists, policy makers and is a core reason to have a common governance. Your emotional appeal is probably well-meaning, but.. falls apart quickly. King Coal - your time is over

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AnimalMuppet 5y ago
> People do not form industry, companies, their executives and stakeholders form industry. Peoples' jobs are a part of industry. It's not just the CEOs and shareholders. And the point was, Manchin is not just representing CEOs. He's representing little peoples' jobs. At this point, you were kind of ignoring what pirate787 was actually saying, and therefore your reply was rather wasted. > ... and also a company store perhaps? This just looks like smear tactics. Are there any company stores in 2021? I'm pretty sure they're at least quite rare.
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- cronix 5y ago
  Nike: https://travelswithelle.com/budgeting/nike-employee-store-beaverton-oregon/ https://travelswithelle.com/budgeting/nike-employee-store-be...
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    OK, but neither Nike nor Disney is what the term "company store" usually implies (especially in a coal mining context). It's a place that you have to use, and that overcharges you.
gaze 5y ago
parent sounds like they drank the J.D. Vance koolaid :/

causi 5y ago

The coal industry already gets four billion dollars a year in direct subsidies. They've been ruining our atmosphere, poisoning our rivers, and interfering with environmental protection for decades in order to line their own pockets. I wouldn't hand West Virginia a parachute any sooner than I'd bail out a meth dealer.

throwaway894345 5y ago
The parent isn't talking about bailing out the coal industry, but West Virginians transition their economy from fossil fuels to something that actually benefits the country.

jeffbee 5y ago

Mining is the 9th-largest industry in West Virginia and employs 2% of its workforce. You could pay each and every miner in America $100k/year - double what they normally make - to just stay home and it would cost almost nothing, compared to the externalized costs of burning coal.

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throwaway894345 5y ago

Manchin also has a lot of his personal wealth invested in coal power, so I don't think he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart (and if he believed that this bill wasn't necessary b/c utilities are moving away from coal, why is he so invested in it?). To your point, you're right that WV is poor and coal-dependent, and I'm open to solutions for helping "coal country" transition.

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gaze 5y ago

West Virginians as I understand it largely hate Joe Manchin. It's just that any of his competitors are worse (somehow) or get outspent by several orders of magnitude.