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This sounds like Simpson's paradox again: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitaliz

by rcpt 5y ago

This sounds like Simpson's paradox again: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... Anecdotally, my wife has been working covid ICU this month and to her it's not surprising. The people with breakthrough cases apparently have so many comorbidities that it's not surprising at all they'd get vaccinated with high priority but also have an immune system that doesn't do a great job learning new skills from the shots. The people for whom the shot is least effective are the ones that get it the most.

b3nji 5y ago
Makes sense, I have also heard first hand reports of this. Its very sad.
daxfohl 5y ago
Yeah it's kind of ridiculous both sides skewing statistics. (Granted, it's ridiculous that there are "sides" to this thing at all). But I get super annoyed when I see things like CNN reporting 99% of deaths since January were unvaccinated. I mean, duh, hardly anybody was vaccinated then and those first months were the highest death rates. I'd like to give them a pass because, hey, maybe it'll convince more people to vaccinate. But it also creates cannon fodder for anyone who is viewing it critically. Both sides are so stupidly irresponsible.
DoingIsLearning 5y ago
Also it is very likely that the people with most comorbidities where vaccinated earlier, so have had the longest period of post-vaccination. So we are likely looking at a sub-group that both has multiple comorbidities _and_ has had the longest period of post-vacination. Even assuming that the decay of effectivenesss is small over time it may be a contributor.
CryptoPunk 5y ago
>>The people for whom the shot is least effective are the ones that get it the most. It's not that the vaccine is less effective for them. It's that they're starting with much poorer immunity, so even with the significant immunity boost provided by the vaccine, they still have significant susceptibility to the virus. Without the vaccine, their numbers would look much worse than the unvaccinated.
- carvking 5y ago
  sometime get the feeling percentage of people that would die from covid, die from vaccine. they don't get counted they bring the death count amongst vaccinated down. and soon no treatment for the unvaccinated ?

by rcpt 5y ago

b3nji 5y ago

Makes sense, I have also heard first hand reports of this. Its very sad.

daxfohl 5y ago

Yeah it's kind of ridiculous both sides skewing statistics. (Granted, it's ridiculous that there are "sides" to this thing at all). But I get super annoyed when I see things like CNN reporting 99% of deaths since January were unvaccinated. I mean, duh, hardly anybody was vaccinated then and those first months were the highest death rates. I'd like to give them a pass because, hey, maybe it'll convince more people to vaccinate. But it also creates cannon fodder for anyone who is viewing it critically. Both sides are so stupidly irresponsible.

DoingIsLearning 5y ago

Also it is very likely that the people with most comorbidities where vaccinated earlier, so have had the longest period of post-vaccination. So we are likely looking at a sub-group that both has multiple comorbidities _and_ has had the longest period of post-vacination. Even assuming that the decay of effectivenesss is small over time it may be a contributor.

CryptoPunk 5y ago

>>The people for whom the shot is least effective are the ones that get it the most. It's not that the vaccine is less effective for them. It's that they're starting with much poorer immunity, so even with the significant immunity boost provided by the vaccine, they still have significant susceptibility to the virus. Without the vaccine, their numbers would look much worse than the unvaccinated.

carvking 5y ago
sometime get the feeling percentage of people that would die from covid, die from vaccine. they don't get counted they bring the death count amongst vaccinated down. and soon no treatment for the unvaccinated ?