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> I feel strongly about this, mostly because it happened to myself: After being sold, the first company that employed me introduced a "completely fair and trans

> I feel strongly about this, mostly because it happened to myself: After being sold, the first company that employed me introduced a "completely fair and transparent" compensation scheme. After I saw the scheme projected to the wall in the big All-Hands, I realized that without any degree I'd have to wait 10 years for stock options while the PhDs would be in almost immediately. I also am a tech worker with no tech degree (no math, CS, eng, etc). Pay transparency would be run by administrators inside businesses that would likely implement something as you describe: "So-and-so just graduated cum laude from X with a degree in Y therefore they're at pay band Z." It will be horrible for people who had to self-educate.

RNCTX 5y ago
It doesn't matter. The degrees are just signifiers to denote a class of people you aren't in. If it weren't for the titles you would be excluded on some other grounds. I mean, there are modern professions still using medieval terms for this (esquire?)
- degreeta 5y ago
  I've been seeing this posted in a few threads and in my experience it's plain wrong. When I'm interviewing candidates I don't care about the degree at all. RCNTX: Either you interview and make hiring decisions, and the behavior you're describing is in fact your own, or you have never actually hired anyone and are speculating. Which is it?
KittenInABox 5y ago
Who's to say they're not doing that already and just not telling you? At least this way there's no denying the company one's working for doesn't value them more than they value empty credentials. You can find another employer who doesn't play those games.
lamontcg 5y ago
So once you see that (WHICH IS WHAT IS ALREADY GOING ON) then you can shop somewhere else. Its really weird to see this offered as a negative of transparency, when it is an example of transparency working.
- truffdog 5y ago
  I'm pretty sympathetic. More transparency means that class based lobbying will be easier, so we should expect the more powerful classes, like the credentialists, to win out and get themselves higher pay.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    If it causes the "lower classes" to leave though you can wind up with a pile of PhDs that don't have practical knowledge and don't know how to produce anything actually useful.

RNCTX 5y ago

It doesn't matter. The degrees are just signifiers to denote a class of people you aren't in. If it weren't for the titles you would be excluded on some other grounds. I mean, there are modern professions still using medieval terms for this (esquire?)

degreeta 5y ago
I've been seeing this posted in a few threads and in my experience it's plain wrong. When I'm interviewing candidates I don't care about the degree at all. RCNTX: Either you interview and make hiring decisions, and the behavior you're describing is in fact your own, or you have never actually hired anyone and are speculating. Which is it?

KittenInABox 5y ago

Who's to say they're not doing that already and just not telling you? At least this way there's no denying the company one's working for doesn't value them more than they value empty credentials. You can find another employer who doesn't play those games.

lamontcg 5y ago

So once you see that (WHICH IS WHAT IS ALREADY GOING ON) then you can shop somewhere else. Its really weird to see this offered as a negative of transparency, when it is an example of transparency working.

truffdog 5y ago
I'm pretty sympathetic. More transparency means that class based lobbying will be easier, so we should expect the more powerful classes, like the credentialists, to win out and get themselves higher pay.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  If it causes the "lower classes" to leave though you can wind up with a pile of PhDs that don't have practical knowledge and don't know how to produce anything actually useful.