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How is the web not already decentralized? everyone's got an IP address and is free to plug in a server at home.. If the EU should do anything, it should be requ

by dusted 5y ago

How is the web not already decentralized? everyone's got an IP address and is free to plug in a server at home.. If the EU should do anything, it should be require by law that any Internet connection comes with a non-carrier-gade-natted ip address, and that it can be made static if the customer desires, for free.

jitix 5y ago
This! Legislating for network infrastructure upgrades and IPv6 adoption will go a long way towards decentralization. The market will produce a bunch of privacy focused “Facebook in a box” kind of products on top of such infrastructure.
dylkil 5y ago
This is funding for developer tools for building decentralised services
magila 5y ago
The web as a whole is decentralized, but the HTTP URL scheme can only reference assets through a single authoritative hostname (or IP address). Thus the ability to retrieve a particular asset is always beholden to a single, privledged entity. When people talk about the "decentralized web" they are generally talking about combining a means of referencing assets in a self-authenticating manner (e.g. using cryptographic hashes and signatures) with a way a retrieving those assets which does not rely on a privledged authority (e.g. using a DHT and a P2P transfer protocol).
- openfuture 5y ago
  Precisely. The internet is all the protocols, the web is HTTP(S), the dweb would be protocols like bittorrent and now with zero knowledge proofs we can hash executions of programs also... The biggest problem is how do you prove your right to participation? Proof of work and proof of stake are both laughably inadequate. Machine learning things are being applied incorrectly imo but it'll converge eventually.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
Yeah, this ain't gonna happen. Telecoms in Europe are way to tightly politically connected (at least in Germany and Austria) to force them into stuff like this. Plus, most consumers here don't care about their IP status (most don't know what an IP is), they mostly care if they can stream YouTube and play Fortnite good enough on their connection. I wish we could force (and fund) telecoms to extend their fiber network as at least in Germany and Austria it's awful, like going back in Eastern Europe but 15 years in the past.

by dusted 5y ago

jitix 5y ago

This! Legislating for network infrastructure upgrades and IPv6 adoption will go a long way towards decentralization. The market will produce a bunch of privacy focused “Facebook in a box” kind of products on top of such infrastructure.

dylkil 5y ago

This is funding for developer tools for building decentralised services

magila 5y ago

The web as a whole is decentralized, but the HTTP URL scheme can only reference assets through a single authoritative hostname (or IP address). Thus the ability to retrieve a particular asset is always beholden to a single, privledged entity. When people talk about the "decentralized web" they are generally talking about combining a means of referencing assets in a self-authenticating manner (e.g. using cryptographic hashes and signatures) with a way a retrieving those assets which does not rely on a privledged authority (e.g. using a DHT and a P2P transfer protocol).

openfuture 5y ago
Precisely. The internet is all the protocols, the web is HTTP(S), the dweb would be protocols like bittorrent and now with zero knowledge proofs we can hash executions of programs also... The biggest problem is how do you prove your right to participation? Proof of work and proof of stake are both laughably inadequate. Machine learning things are being applied incorrectly imo but it'll converge eventually.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

Yeah, this ain't gonna happen. Telecoms in Europe are way to tightly politically connected (at least in Germany and Austria) to force them into stuff like this. Plus, most consumers here don't care about their IP status (most don't know what an IP is), they mostly care if they can stream YouTube and play Fortnite good enough on their connection. I wish we could force (and fund) telecoms to extend their fiber network as at least in Germany and Austria it's awful, like going back in Eastern Europe but 15 years in the past.