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What if a person owns a gas-powered car and another person wants it. It is going to be illegal for them to strike a deal?

toomuchtodo 5y ago
I would be more considered about remaining petroleum infrastructure entering a death spiral as demand drops rapidly. The cost per mile to drive an EV is about half that of a combustion vehicle, so the heaviest consumers will move to EVs rapidly, leaving the stragglers to shoulder petroleum supply costs.
- OneEyedRobot 5y ago
  But why use the marketplace when you can legislate? Actively managing things is ever so much fun.
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  - afavour 5y ago
    I get you're being sarcastic here but it's clear that the market hasn't been a total success with EVs. They require much more charging infrastructure before many will consider buying, but the EV infrastructure won't be built until there is demand for it. This is a classic example of where a government can step in to tip the scales and force a desirable outcome.
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      So why ban instead of subsidize? (in the general case, we all know that states like NY love to ban things) Rooftop solar got cheap enough to be not quite viable and then took off like a rocket with government subsidy. If people could install chargers at a negligible net cost to them you'd see them everywhere as landlords and house flippers jump to "check that box".
      - afavour 5y ago
        Because climate change is an emergency? Because it sends a stronger signal? Because it's what in line with countries across the world (and California) are already planning? https://www.coltura.org/world-gasoline-phaseouts https://www.coltura.org/world-gasoline-phaseouts New York isn't exactly some unique snowflake here.
      - OneEyedRobot 5y ago
        While I think that EVs are cool, the subsidies not only distort things but are essentially tax breaks for the well-off. It's funny to me how the whole ICE vs. EV argument just isn't that much of a slam-dunk. Looking at page 5 here: https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV-life-cycle-GHG_ICCT-Briefing_09022018_vF.pdf https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV-life... Completely altering the vehicle mix doesn't look like a game changer to me. I guess there's probably no low-hanging fruit. In the future, no doubt not only will houses be unaffordable for the middle class and below, but also cars.
thehappypm 5y ago
It's new car sales.
Jtsummers 5y ago
Engadget left out that crucial detail, but no. It’s for new vehicle sales.
InitialLastName 5y ago
> The state has passed a new law that bans the sale of gas vehicles starting in 2035, requiring all new cars to be zero emission. It appears that this only applies to sales of new vehicles. More details: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/landmark-new-york-law-passed-banning-new-fossil-fuel-vehicle-sales-from-2035/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/landmark-new-york-law-p...
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Everyone replying to you seems to be missing what I think is the obvious implication that new car sales won't really matter because if used car sales are still allowed dealers will just import those to sell and people will buy them if they are what they want. And if there is not enough charging infrastructure and whatnot gas cars will be what people want.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

I would be more considered about remaining petroleum infrastructure entering a death spiral as demand drops rapidly. The cost per mile to drive an EV is about half that of a combustion vehicle, so the heaviest consumers will move to EVs rapidly, leaving the stragglers to shoulder petroleum supply costs.

OneEyedRobot 5y ago
But why use the marketplace when you can legislate? Actively managing things is ever so much fun.
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- afavour 5y ago
  I get you're being sarcastic here but it's clear that the market hasn't been a total success with EVs. They require much more charging infrastructure before many will consider buying, but the EV infrastructure won't be built until there is demand for it. This is a classic example of where a government can step in to tip the scales and force a desirable outcome.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    So why ban instead of subsidize? (in the general case, we all know that states like NY love to ban things) Rooftop solar got cheap enough to be not quite viable and then took off like a rocket with government subsidy. If people could install chargers at a negligible net cost to them you'd see them everywhere as landlords and house flippers jump to "check that box".
    - afavour 5y ago
      Because climate change is an emergency? Because it sends a stronger signal? Because it's what in line with countries across the world (and California) are already planning? https://www.coltura.org/world-gasoline-phaseouts https://www.coltura.org/world-gasoline-phaseouts New York isn't exactly some unique snowflake here.
    - OneEyedRobot 5y ago
      While I think that EVs are cool, the subsidies not only distort things but are essentially tax breaks for the well-off. It's funny to me how the whole ICE vs. EV argument just isn't that much of a slam-dunk. Looking at page 5 here: https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV-life-cycle-GHG_ICCT-Briefing_09022018_vF.pdf https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/EV-life... Completely altering the vehicle mix doesn't look like a game changer to me. I guess there's probably no low-hanging fruit. In the future, no doubt not only will houses be unaffordable for the middle class and below, but also cars.

thehappypm 5y ago

It's new car sales.

Jtsummers 5y ago

Engadget left out that crucial detail, but no. It’s for new vehicle sales.

InitialLastName 5y ago

> The state has passed a new law that bans the sale of gas vehicles starting in 2035, requiring all new cars to be zero emission. It appears that this only applies to sales of new vehicles. More details: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/landmark-new-york-law-passed-banning-new-fossil-fuel-vehicle-sales-from-2035/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/landmark-new-york-law-p...

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

Everyone replying to you seems to be missing what I think is the obvious implication that new car sales won't really matter because if used car sales are still allowed dealers will just import those to sell and people will buy them if they are what they want. And if there is not enough charging infrastructure and whatnot gas cars will be what people want.