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Your printer running out of ink does not have an associated risk of death and injury. Tire wear does. Existing air-filled tires are already "connected" on mod

Your printer running out of ink does not have an associated risk of death and injury. Tire wear does. Existing air-filled tires are already "connected" on modern vehicles - pressure sensors that link to the vehicle's on-board diagnostics and inform the driver of low pressure, often before there's any other visible, audible, or mechanical indication that the tire has a leak.

pandaman 5y ago
Modern cars have tons of sensors but none of them are in the consumable parts such as tires[+]. It's important because it means you can use any consumables (gas, oil, coolant, washer liquid, tires) as long as they meet objective physical requirements the car expects. If the tires provide enough traction and are of the correct size then any modern car will work with them fine. "Connected" tires sounds like there is a direct (as opposed to the car measuring the tire's shape in the TPMS from your example) information exchange between the tire and the car, something that does not happen now and appears to be susceptible to the same marketing practices printer manufacturers use. [+] Some cars have "sensors" in the brake pads, which amounts to a wire loop inside the pad, which gets cut as the pad wears down, owners of these cars are not happy about this "feature".
- zardo 5y ago
  >"Connected" tires sounds like there is a direct (as opposed to the car measuring the tire's shape in the TPMS from your example) information exchange between the tire and the car, something that does not happen now Michelin sells a tire mounted TPMS, also available pre-installed. https://business.michelinman.com/construction-industry/services-construction-industrial/michelin-tire-care https://business.michelinman.com/construction-industry/servi...
  - pandaman 5y ago
    Not for cars, though. There is probably a market for tire monitoring in mining equipment, which is probably not constructed with the same built-in systems that consumer cars have.
    - mrguyorama 5y ago
      You are incorrect. Most modern cars have TPMS to tell you when a tire is losing air. There are two ways to do it. Either you use the same signals ABS uses to tell how fast each wheel is spinning and look at the tire which spins at a different speed. The other way is to have actual pressure sensors inline with the valves that wirelessly communicate with a system in the car. This method has the upside of allowing you to see constant tire pressure values on all four tires at all times. The downside is that it is more expensive, it's something that must be managed when you get tires or wheels changed, the batteries run out, you often have to pair each wheel-sensor to the car separately so that it knows which sensor is which wheel... This is an example system: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402816216014?epid=21038233158&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item5dc9b7abce:g:pq0AAOSwmR1gi6qr&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsS%252BMKizvpuEDUfX4dvRWfUzY2vJJmZPPOhoQ3V3J7BTwRTk6T36hny0RMjypNd4LkVs3QVasO%252BTIWDY85DMvkcbrhenQVa44dMEqmSBZM2%252BGlM%252BYxj9OWg0tX%252BhyWszR4%252FhR6%252F%252FUWEP3V9lOg7q9yxKKMt6MsyhIJms70I5FS63q%252FWQcJKXPyY%252Bo13FwLCMIDhF%252FfBf6%252FamgAWcMuWrv9XGI7WR8oWAOfk%252F2yoQX7VDgFHQ7VB%252BqDl9UeoGqWpD5mGFKwuYgdf8zvwi%252BgjnvlGMeBH4GEHO8C44zit%252FtDYyf7CnMQvdWTwbT5qhCYV7y8giSyS8EWKB3%252FkIQqBz1Zi7kRmmXaYLbqJP4oHRzlG0O2I0fG5dMyCDi5HEQkIVdQQ2nfP%252BfSge3FprJBnhoK1F7530GqEsLEuvB9AbPDJ7%252BKoWoHL71Qfus2%252FKQPzZ9DvSZ7AufPwVE5coFGZEt6YyUdKqaHa%252F%252Fh74uT2t218HMLGQ5JnvGb2yAaMaK00EtvVZ5hpA7nRs1aOnGWLa2aFfuE7KA4gJixMiOQTAzllx8H7ROJj8cPOqwMTicWZ6Wz9vGKbvTW%252FVR3hDt9rjkiPeB2jKOMA5e2sL0meEvr2z6rj%252FrL5uiCaDUul3iRz%252Fhz%252BIuDeqvRrdb22hCmpdu4HQqUtQbOhsMl3YeXlHCPVIwcZzxUjGjcWE%252BvhOx0iSgaFJ0aiwpkecsmqxT%252BBEwy4ymtj1rl27oVElHKgx19bNg8iu5I8dptBW9e1FWNc9%252F9sYZqpB%252F5WZA76p3om0Z5Rby4rNnkZYVZGOOZ3vDdnJgXSFzpu2lLZaYR5YBq8HXNl%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524 https://www.ebay.com/itm/402816216014?epid=21038233158&_trkp...
      - pandaman 5y ago
        I am not sure if you replied to the correct message but I did mention that modern cars have TPMS. If you are actually arguing against my description of the principles this system works on (monitoring the wheel shape through the rotation speed) then perhaps you should have not posted a link to sensors for such a system. I somehow don't see how a passive device can monitor any pressure least communicate wirelessly. But even if such system existed it would still have been mounted in the wheel, not in the tire on modern cars.
m463 5y ago
"Your printer running out of ink does not have an associated risk of death and injury." I'm sure the printer manufacturers can remove some hardware interlocks to make using manufacturer ink safety-critical.

pandaman 5y ago

Modern cars have tons of sensors but none of them are in the consumable parts such as tires[+]. It's important because it means you can use any consumables (gas, oil, coolant, washer liquid, tires) as long as they meet objective physical requirements the car expects. If the tires provide enough traction and are of the correct size then any modern car will work with them fine. "Connected" tires sounds like there is a direct (as opposed to the car measuring the tire's shape in the TPMS from your example) information exchange between the tire and the car, something that does not happen now and appears to be susceptible to the same marketing practices printer manufacturers use. [+] Some cars have "sensors" in the brake pads, which amounts to a wire loop inside the pad, which gets cut as the pad wears down, owners of these cars are not happy about this "feature".

zardo 5y ago
>"Connected" tires sounds like there is a direct (as opposed to the car measuring the tire's shape in the TPMS from your example) information exchange between the tire and the car, something that does not happen now Michelin sells a tire mounted TPMS, also available pre-installed. https://business.michelinman.com/construction-industry/services-construction-industrial/michelin-tire-care https://business.michelinman.com/construction-industry/servi...
- pandaman 5y ago
  Not for cars, though. There is probably a market for tire monitoring in mining equipment, which is probably not constructed with the same built-in systems that consumer cars have.
  - mrguyorama 5y ago
    You are incorrect. Most modern cars have TPMS to tell you when a tire is losing air. There are two ways to do it. Either you use the same signals ABS uses to tell how fast each wheel is spinning and look at the tire which spins at a different speed. The other way is to have actual pressure sensors inline with the valves that wirelessly communicate with a system in the car. This method has the upside of allowing you to see constant tire pressure values on all four tires at all times. The downside is that it is more expensive, it's something that must be managed when you get tires or wheels changed, the batteries run out, you often have to pair each wheel-sensor to the car separately so that it knows which sensor is which wheel... This is an example system: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402816216014?epid=21038233158&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item5dc9b7abce:g:pq0AAOSwmR1gi6qr&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsS%252BMKizvpuEDUfX4dvRWfUzY2vJJmZPPOhoQ3V3J7BTwRTk6T36hny0RMjypNd4LkVs3QVasO%252BTIWDY85DMvkcbrhenQVa44dMEqmSBZM2%252BGlM%252BYxj9OWg0tX%252BhyWszR4%252FhR6%252F%252FUWEP3V9lOg7q9yxKKMt6MsyhIJms70I5FS63q%252FWQcJKXPyY%252Bo13FwLCMIDhF%252FfBf6%252FamgAWcMuWrv9XGI7WR8oWAOfk%252F2yoQX7VDgFHQ7VB%252BqDl9UeoGqWpD5mGFKwuYgdf8zvwi%252BgjnvlGMeBH4GEHO8C44zit%252FtDYyf7CnMQvdWTwbT5qhCYV7y8giSyS8EWKB3%252FkIQqBz1Zi7kRmmXaYLbqJP4oHRzlG0O2I0fG5dMyCDi5HEQkIVdQQ2nfP%252BfSge3FprJBnhoK1F7530GqEsLEuvB9AbPDJ7%252BKoWoHL71Qfus2%252FKQPzZ9DvSZ7AufPwVE5coFGZEt6YyUdKqaHa%252F%252Fh74uT2t218HMLGQ5JnvGb2yAaMaK00EtvVZ5hpA7nRs1aOnGWLa2aFfuE7KA4gJixMiOQTAzllx8H7ROJj8cPOqwMTicWZ6Wz9vGKbvTW%252FVR3hDt9rjkiPeB2jKOMA5e2sL0meEvr2z6rj%252FrL5uiCaDUul3iRz%252Fhz%252BIuDeqvRrdb22hCmpdu4HQqUtQbOhsMl3YeXlHCPVIwcZzxUjGjcWE%252BvhOx0iSgaFJ0aiwpkecsmqxT%252BBEwy4ymtj1rl27oVElHKgx19bNg8iu5I8dptBW9e1FWNc9%252F9sYZqpB%252F5WZA76p3om0Z5Rby4rNnkZYVZGOOZ3vDdnJgXSFzpu2lLZaYR5YBq8HXNl%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524 https://www.ebay.com/itm/402816216014?epid=21038233158&_trkp...
    - pandaman 5y ago
      I am not sure if you replied to the correct message but I did mention that modern cars have TPMS. If you are actually arguing against my description of the principles this system works on (monitoring the wheel shape through the rotation speed) then perhaps you should have not posted a link to sensors for such a system. I somehow don't see how a passive device can monitor any pressure least communicate wirelessly. But even if such system existed it would still have been mounted in the wheel, not in the tire on modern cars.

m463 5y ago

"Your printer running out of ink does not have an associated risk of death and injury." I'm sure the printer manufacturers can remove some hardware interlocks to make using manufacturer ink safety-critical.