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I wish the plaintiffs luck in court. I remember apples courtroom privateering where they persuaded the justice system they invented rounded corners and got thei

I wish the plaintiffs luck in court. I remember apples courtroom privateering where they persuaded the justice system they invented rounded corners and got their competitors phones pulled from the market. If only the same standards and rigor of enforcement could actually apply to them. Once all is said and done I suspect whatever apple has to pay will not meaningfully impact their profitability, and will be seen as a cost of doing business. This is a core reason these companies are so caustic. Penalties need to be harsh enough to make this behavior unprofitable. The board needs to be pissed at their executives.

atatatat 5y ago
Larger discussion: Is this what being a hacker is now? Knowing your project is going to get stomped out with uncompetitive practices from day 1, still doing and carrying it all the the way through to court with a big player?
- smoldesu 5y ago
  25 years ago, that was still the hacker ethos. Linux stood no chance against the commercial operating systems of the day, and Microsoft was in the process of accretion to a similar position Apple is in today. Yet, against all odds, David sprouted wings and Goliath kneeled.
  - andrekandre 5y ago
    how much of this was initially enabled by the anti-trust settlement and subsequent restrictions on microsofts behavior?
- deleted 5y ago
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rjzzleep 5y ago
For reference[1]. Apple also managed to cause lasting damage to HTC as a brand when they ventured into the US. I don't HTC ever recovered from that, although it might not have been the only problem they had. [1] https://morningconsult.com/opinions/apple-v-samsung-scotus-sided-reason-rounded-corners/ https://morningconsult.com/opinions/apple-v-samsung-scotus-s...
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Seems like small pickles compared to Android brands damaging themselves by not supporting their own devices with software updates after 18 months. That is what drove me away. I assume this is still true, and my iOS devices will receive software updates for longer than Android devices.
  - Sunspark 5y ago
    I would rather use an unsupported device that has the ability to do a variety of things than a supported device that doesn't allow various features which is the case with iOS for me. With Apple, it's their way or the highway.
    - Damogran6 5y ago
      So do the hackers and Zero Day Exploit day traders.
      - nisegami 5y ago
        This is so pointless, but I feel like 0-day exploit sellers benefit if everyone is up to date, as it means you need a 0-day to exploit those devices (making those exploits more valuable). But if everyone is running out of date software, who cares if it's a 0-day?
      - lenkite 5y ago
        Zero-day's are more expensive for Android nowadays https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-zerodium/ https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-z...
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      I understand, but in terms of mass market appeal, most people just want to be able to safely take pics and share them and participate in group chats and browse the web and play some games. Granted, most people would not be able to discern security updates and software updates or maybe even care about them nowadays, but back when the ecosystems and reputations were being established in early 2010s, Android vendors really dropped the ball. Everyone could see their relatives continuing to use iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 a couple more years and getting visibly updated for a couple more years than competing Androids (even from Google themselves!). The resell value of iPhones was more as well, and I assume many or most people figured out that the probability of iOS devices outlasting competing Android devices was high.

atatatat 5y ago

Larger discussion: Is this what being a hacker is now? Knowing your project is going to get stomped out with uncompetitive practices from day 1, still doing and carrying it all the the way through to court with a big player?

smoldesu 5y ago
25 years ago, that was still the hacker ethos. Linux stood no chance against the commercial operating systems of the day, and Microsoft was in the process of accretion to a similar position Apple is in today. Yet, against all odds, David sprouted wings and Goliath kneeled.
- andrekandre 5y ago
  how much of this was initially enabled by the anti-trust settlement and subsequent restrictions on microsofts behavior?
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rjzzleep 5y ago

For reference[1]. Apple also managed to cause lasting damage to HTC as a brand when they ventured into the US. I don't HTC ever recovered from that, although it might not have been the only problem they had. [1] https://morningconsult.com/opinions/apple-v-samsung-scotus-sided-reason-rounded-corners/ https://morningconsult.com/opinions/apple-v-samsung-scotus-s...

lotsofpulp 5y ago
Seems like small pickles compared to Android brands damaging themselves by not supporting their own devices with software updates after 18 months. That is what drove me away. I assume this is still true, and my iOS devices will receive software updates for longer than Android devices.
- Sunspark 5y ago
  I would rather use an unsupported device that has the ability to do a variety of things than a supported device that doesn't allow various features which is the case with iOS for me. With Apple, it's their way or the highway.
  - Damogran6 5y ago
    So do the hackers and Zero Day Exploit day traders.
    - nisegami 5y ago
      This is so pointless, but I feel like 0-day exploit sellers benefit if everyone is up to date, as it means you need a 0-day to exploit those devices (making those exploits more valuable). But if everyone is running out of date software, who cares if it's a 0-day?
    - lenkite 5y ago
      Zero-day's are more expensive for Android nowadays https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-zerodium/ https://www.wired.com/story/android-zero-day-more-than-ios-z...
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    I understand, but in terms of mass market appeal, most people just want to be able to safely take pics and share them and participate in group chats and browse the web and play some games. Granted, most people would not be able to discern security updates and software updates or maybe even care about them nowadays, but back when the ecosystems and reputations were being established in early 2010s, Android vendors really dropped the ball. Everyone could see their relatives continuing to use iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 a couple more years and getting visibly updated for a couple more years than competing Androids (even from Google themselves!). The resell value of iPhones was more as well, and I assume many or most people figured out that the probability of iOS devices outlasting competing Android devices was high.