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So you are saying that this Epik company was run by fascists?

southerntofu 5y ago
I'm saying they are very confident and happy to host actual fascists and other stripes of neo-nazis and white supremacists. I have no clue about their own personal opinions, although some people further down this thread suggested they had such affiliations. Providing material support to people is never neutral. I'm happy some sysadmins and community managers are taking a stand against abuse and harassment. On the other hand i'm also concerned State-mandated censorship is detrimental to human rights and will in fact be used more (as it already is) against anarchists, queers and other minorities and not against actual fascists because our governments are much closer to the historical definitions of "fascism" than they'd like to admit. So i'm clearly against censorship, but i agree with XKCD that kicking assholes out of our communities is not a "free speech" issue: https://xkcd.com/1357/ https://xkcd.com/1357/ I can't say i'm very comfortable with these "free speech" hosts who would certainly turn away any opinions they disagree with. I much prefer radical servers like riseup/autistici who have clear policies on where they stand politically and what kind of activities they're ready to fight for and what kind of activities they'll fight off. Contrary to Protonmail and their millions of dollars, Riseup is a self-organized non-profit (born of the altermondialist/internationalist movement) who had servers seized rather than rat on their users [0]... unless some people/activities directly contradict their ethical principles in which case they reserve the right to collaborate with law enforcement [1] instead of risking the infrastructure needed by all their users (as in a seppuku pledge, like Lavabit did). [0] https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/fbi-seizes-anonymous-remailer https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/fbi-seizes-anonymous-re... [1] https://riseup.net/en/about-us/policy/government-faq#what-about-child-porn-drugs-corruption-etc-would-you-fight-law-enforcement-requests-for-users-doing-these-things https://riseup.net/en/about-us/policy/government-faq#what-ab...
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  Expect this hack wasn't "showing the door to the assholes in your community" this was hacking and trying to doxx another community you don't agree with. They had already left your community and made their own, but as was expected that wasn't enough and never was the actual point of that XKCD. The actual message behind the stance is that speech you hate should be removed. As with most things people are for removing speech as long as it is speech of people they disagree with. We just have to hope the pendulum never again swings back to the other side.

I'm saying they are very confident and happy to host actual fascists and other stripes of neo-nazis and white supremacists. I have no clue about their own personal opinions, although some people further down this thread suggested they had such affiliations. Providing material support to people is never neutral. I'm happy some sysadmins and community managers are taking a stand against abuse and harassment. On the other hand i'm also concerned State-mandated censorship is detrimental to human rights and will in fact be used more (as it already is) against anarchists, queers and other minorities and not against actual fascists because our governments are much closer to the historical definitions of "fascism" than they'd like to admit. So i'm clearly against censorship, but i agree with XKCD that kicking assholes out of our communities is not a "free speech" issue: https://xkcd.com/1357/ https://xkcd.com/1357/ I can't say i'm very comfortable with these "free speech" hosts who would certainly turn away any opinions they disagree with. I much prefer radical servers like riseup/autistici who have clear policies on where they stand politically and what kind of activities they're ready to fight for and what kind of activities they'll fight off. Contrary to Protonmail and their millions of dollars, Riseup is a self-organized non-profit (born of the altermondialist/internationalist movement) who had servers seized rather than rat on their users [0]... unless some people/activities directly contradict their ethical principles in which case they reserve the right to collaborate with law enforcement [1] instead of risking the infrastructure needed by all their users (as in a seppuku pledge, like Lavabit did). [0] https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/fbi-seizes-anonymous-remailer https://riseup.net/en/about-us/press/fbi-seizes-anonymous-re... [1] https://riseup.net/en/about-us/policy/government-faq#what-about-child-porn-drugs-corruption-etc-would-you-fight-law-enforcement-requests-for-users-doing-these-things https://riseup.net/en/about-us/policy/government-faq#what-ab...

nextlevelwizard 5y ago
Expect this hack wasn't "showing the door to the assholes in your community" this was hacking and trying to doxx another community you don't agree with. They had already left your community and made their own, but as was expected that wasn't enough and never was the actual point of that XKCD. The actual message behind the stance is that speech you hate should be removed. As with most things people are for removing speech as long as it is speech of people they disagree with. We just have to hope the pendulum never again swings back to the other side.