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You're free to create a firm collectively owned and managed by workers right now, nothing is stopping you. I guess we do actually live in a "free society". It'

You're free to create a firm collectively owned and managed by workers right now, nothing is stopping you. I guess we do actually live in a "free society". It's interesting that your idea of a free society is forcing businesses to organize in a certain way. Doesn't sound very free.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago
> It's interesting that your idea of a free society is forcing businesses to organize in a certain way. Doesn't sound very free. You're reading that in to what I said. Look again. "We could, for example, alternatively have a free society where most firms are collectively owned and managed by their workers." I do not in any way advocate for the use of force to achieve this, and you have assumed I did. Tho I did not mention it, my philosophy is explicitly voluntary. I argue that it makes economic sense for workers to organize in this way, and that they should do it for their own benefit. > You're free to create a firm collectively owned and managed by workers right now, nothing is stopping you. Yes you are right I can. That's what makes this plan great! It is voluntary and doable today. However what I want to achieve is not just one more co-op. I want to live in a society where all of the goods I depend on are mined, manufactured, and delivered by cooperatively run firms. To achieve that level of change I have to go on the internet and talk to nerds about why it's so great for all of us to do this thing. So that's what I'm here to do. You may have misunderstood my comment as a complaint that I want the government to fix my problems for me, but again that is a misunderstanding of my position. EDIT: I am doing things in the real world to achieve these goals too (see my profile), I only make the point about talking about it online because I tire of the “go do it then no one is stopping you” line. I am on HN to discuss theory with theory nerds.

TaylorAlexander 5y ago

> It's interesting that your idea of a free society is forcing businesses to organize in a certain way. Doesn't sound very free. You're reading that in to what I said. Look again. "We could, for example, alternatively have a free society where most firms are collectively owned and managed by their workers." I do not in any way advocate for the use of force to achieve this, and you have assumed I did. Tho I did not mention it, my philosophy is explicitly voluntary. I argue that it makes economic sense for workers to organize in this way, and that they should do it for their own benefit. > You're free to create a firm collectively owned and managed by workers right now, nothing is stopping you. Yes you are right I can. That's what makes this plan great! It is voluntary and doable today. However what I want to achieve is not just one more co-op. I want to live in a society where all of the goods I depend on are mined, manufactured, and delivered by cooperatively run firms. To achieve that level of change I have to go on the internet and talk to nerds about why it's so great for all of us to do this thing. So that's what I'm here to do. You may have misunderstood my comment as a complaint that I want the government to fix my problems for me, but again that is a misunderstanding of my position. EDIT: I am doing things in the real world to achieve these goals too (see my profile), I only make the point about talking about it online because I tire of the “go do it then no one is stopping you” line. I am on HN to discuss theory with theory nerds.