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No, when I said "horse dewormer", I meant actual horse dewormer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/horse-paste-ivermectin-flccc_n_612d1980e4b02be25b5edd15 https:/

No, when I said "horse dewormer", I meant actual horse dewormer: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/horse-paste-ivermectin-flccc_n_612d1980e4b02be25b5edd15 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/horse-paste-ivermectin-flccc_... There’s a YouTube video called “Ivermectin Horse Paste” that was published in January of this year and now has nearly 160,000 views. In it, a woman who goes by Self Sufficient Momma demonstrates how to portion out horse paste in order to make it a suitable dose for humans, depending on weight. The fact that medical grade Ivermectin is prescribed for other ailments doesn't make it any less ludicrous that people are going to the feed store and buying tubes of horse Ivermectin to self-medicate for COVID at home.

angelzen 5y ago
It's YouTube. There is mildly popular garbage everywhere. YouTube regularly recommends videos like 'I Went Back To 1st Grade For A Day' by one Mr. Beast with 107M views, or 'CoComelon Songs For Kids' for 77M views. 160k views appears rather minor in comparison. Most of the views are probably bored teenagers looking for some novel debased spectacle.
- Johnny555 5y ago
  Are you claiming peple are too smart to believe a garbage video on Youtube? I'd like to see a reference for that, because I'm not seeing much of it. Don't forget that this is a country where people died from overdosing on aquarium chemicals because they thought the chloroquine on the label meant it would prevent COVID. In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but that has not yet been proved effective against the novel coronavirus. That pharmaceutical name matched the label on a bottle of chemicals they used to clean their koi pond, NBC News reported. The fish tank solvent that treats aquatic parasites contains the same active ingredient as the drug, but in a different form that can poison people. “Within thirty minutes of ingestion, the couple experienced immediate effects” that sent them to the emergency room, a Banner Health spokeswoman said in a statement Monday. They felt dizzy and started vomiting. The husband died at the hospital, and the wife is under critical care, according to the statement. And states across the country are reporting an uptick in poison control calls for people that ingested Ivermectin, almost all from animal drugs, not prescriptions.
  - daddylongstroke 5y ago
    >And states across the country are reporting an uptick in poison control calls for people that ingested Ivermectin, almost all from animal drugs, not prescriptions. You're spreading FUD man. These "upticks" you speak of are, in the case of one state, from 1 instance per year to 9. I guess its statistically a huge uptick, but, lets keep some perspective ey?
    - Johnny555 5y ago
      https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/04/1034217306/ivermectin-overdose-exposure-cases-poison-control-centers https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0... According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459.
      - daddylongstroke 5y ago
        Ahhh, from the paper linked in your NPR article - 2020 cases = 435, 2021 cases = 1143. It's an even smaller increase than I originally thought - only 163%! Also, looks like 25% were from prescriptions.
galangalalgol 5y ago
That rumor got started because a study in mice showed it lessened the severity of infection. The doses were very high, close to lethal. There is no evidence of prophylactic use making a difference. Only early stage of infection use. Some doctors are prescribing it for covid cases. It is not surprising it would work a little, it causes an increased immune response. There are also studies linking it to melanoma shrinkage. There is a large enough parasite burden in even a developed population that a twice yearly dose might make sense for humans. All that said, buying an oral syringe with enough ivermectin to kill people with low body mass and trying to get your dose right is a horrible idea.
tekknik 5y ago
What’s the difference between human and horse ivermectin? Dosage. What you’re actually arguing without knowing is a position the CDC took to keep people from self dosing because the left media pushed the public into a mass panic. People overdosing on any drug, especially during a pandemic, is bad.
- Johnny555 5y ago
  Dosage, and probably mixing -- how much do you want to trust that that ingredients are mixed so thoroughly that the little dab that gives you a human dose actually has that dose? Plus the 98% fillers in horse dewormer of unspecified ingredients. If you really think you need Ivermectin, get a prescription from a doctor so you'll be getting a known dose and have medical supervision. Or, you know, just get the vaccine and reduce your risk of a serious case of COVID by 95%+
  - tekknik 5y ago
    > Dosage, and probably mixing -- how much do you want to trust that that ingredients are mixed so thoroughly that the little dab that gives you a human dose actually has that dose? It’s just dosage. Unless you’re getting your horse ivermectin from sketch sources. Who’s going to trust a multiple thousand to multiple millions of dollar animal on questionable ingredients. > If you really think you need Ivermectin, get a prescription from a doctor so you'll be getting a known dose and have medical supervision. Hey agreed, so tell your lefty buddies to stop causing mass panic so those without medical insurance or money won’t try treating themselves. > Or, you know, just get the vaccine and reduce your risk of a serious case of COVID by 95%+ Tell me the long term risks of the vaccine. Also show me some medical credentials since you’re recommending everybody get the vaccine.
    - Johnny555 5y ago
      It’s just dosage. Unless you’re getting your horse ivermectin from sketch sources. Who’s going to trust a multiple thousand to multiple millions of dollar animal on questionable ingredients. Since you seem to be expert in this, what human safe ingredients are used in the 98% of this paste that is not Ivermectin? https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-paste-187-608-g https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-... Hey agreed, so tell your lefty buddies to stop causing mass panic so those without medical insurance or money won’t try treating themselves. It's not the "lefties" that are telling people to use Ivermectin and other questionable remedies -- the lefties are telling them to get the vaccine. The best bet for someone without medical insurance is to get the free vaccine. Also show me some medical credentials since you’re recommending everybody get the vaccine That's the great thing about quoting experts, I don't need credentials myself, I can just repeat the same expert advice: "Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, pleaded Sunday for Americans to set aside politics and get the coronavirus vaccine" I'd quote his credentials, but I suspect that you already know who he is. As for long term side effects, I'm willing to bet my own health on "none": https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-what-are-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines-3-things-to-know https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-... What makes Goepfert think that scientists won’t discover previously unsuspected problems caused by COVID vaccines in the years ahead? There are several reasons. 1. Vaccines are eliminated quickly 2. Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all 3. Our COVID vaccine experience during the past six months

angelzen 5y ago

It's YouTube. There is mildly popular garbage everywhere. YouTube regularly recommends videos like 'I Went Back To 1st Grade For A Day' by one Mr. Beast with 107M views, or 'CoComelon Songs For Kids' for 77M views. 160k views appears rather minor in comparison. Most of the views are probably bored teenagers looking for some novel debased spectacle.

Johnny555 5y ago
Are you claiming peple are too smart to believe a garbage video on Youtube? I'd like to see a reference for that, because I'm not seeing much of it. Don't forget that this is a country where people died from overdosing on aquarium chemicals because they thought the chloroquine on the label meant it would prevent COVID. In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but that has not yet been proved effective against the novel coronavirus. That pharmaceutical name matched the label on a bottle of chemicals they used to clean their koi pond, NBC News reported. The fish tank solvent that treats aquatic parasites contains the same active ingredient as the drug, but in a different form that can poison people. “Within thirty minutes of ingestion, the couple experienced immediate effects” that sent them to the emergency room, a Banner Health spokeswoman said in a statement Monday. They felt dizzy and started vomiting. The husband died at the hospital, and the wife is under critical care, according to the statement. And states across the country are reporting an uptick in poison control calls for people that ingested Ivermectin, almost all from animal drugs, not prescriptions.
- daddylongstroke 5y ago
  >And states across the country are reporting an uptick in poison control calls for people that ingested Ivermectin, almost all from animal drugs, not prescriptions. You're spreading FUD man. These "upticks" you speak of are, in the case of one state, from 1 instance per year to 9. I guess its statistically a huge uptick, but, lets keep some perspective ey?
  - Johnny555 5y ago
    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/04/1034217306/ivermectin-overdose-exposure-cases-poison-control-centers https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0... According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459.
    - daddylongstroke 5y ago
      Ahhh, from the paper linked in your NPR article - 2020 cases = 435, 2021 cases = 1143. It's an even smaller increase than I originally thought - only 163%! Also, looks like 25% were from prescriptions.

galangalalgol 5y ago

That rumor got started because a study in mice showed it lessened the severity of infection. The doses were very high, close to lethal. There is no evidence of prophylactic use making a difference. Only early stage of infection use. Some doctors are prescribing it for covid cases. It is not surprising it would work a little, it causes an increased immune response. There are also studies linking it to melanoma shrinkage. There is a large enough parasite burden in even a developed population that a twice yearly dose might make sense for humans. All that said, buying an oral syringe with enough ivermectin to kill people with low body mass and trying to get your dose right is a horrible idea.

tekknik 5y ago

What’s the difference between human and horse ivermectin? Dosage. What you’re actually arguing without knowing is a position the CDC took to keep people from self dosing because the left media pushed the public into a mass panic. People overdosing on any drug, especially during a pandemic, is bad.

Johnny555 5y ago
Dosage, and probably mixing -- how much do you want to trust that that ingredients are mixed so thoroughly that the little dab that gives you a human dose actually has that dose? Plus the 98% fillers in horse dewormer of unspecified ingredients. If you really think you need Ivermectin, get a prescription from a doctor so you'll be getting a known dose and have medical supervision. Or, you know, just get the vaccine and reduce your risk of a serious case of COVID by 95%+
- tekknik 5y ago
  > Dosage, and probably mixing -- how much do you want to trust that that ingredients are mixed so thoroughly that the little dab that gives you a human dose actually has that dose? It’s just dosage. Unless you’re getting your horse ivermectin from sketch sources. Who’s going to trust a multiple thousand to multiple millions of dollar animal on questionable ingredients. > If you really think you need Ivermectin, get a prescription from a doctor so you'll be getting a known dose and have medical supervision. Hey agreed, so tell your lefty buddies to stop causing mass panic so those without medical insurance or money won’t try treating themselves. > Or, you know, just get the vaccine and reduce your risk of a serious case of COVID by 95%+ Tell me the long term risks of the vaccine. Also show me some medical credentials since you’re recommending everybody get the vaccine.
  - Johnny555 5y ago
    It’s just dosage. Unless you’re getting your horse ivermectin from sketch sources. Who’s going to trust a multiple thousand to multiple millions of dollar animal on questionable ingredients. Since you seem to be expert in this, what human safe ingredients are used in the 98% of this paste that is not Ivermectin? https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-paste-187-608-g https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-... Hey agreed, so tell your lefty buddies to stop causing mass panic so those without medical insurance or money won’t try treating themselves. It's not the "lefties" that are telling people to use Ivermectin and other questionable remedies -- the lefties are telling them to get the vaccine. The best bet for someone without medical insurance is to get the free vaccine. Also show me some medical credentials since you’re recommending everybody get the vaccine That's the great thing about quoting experts, I don't need credentials myself, I can just repeat the same expert advice: "Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, pleaded Sunday for Americans to set aside politics and get the coronavirus vaccine" I'd quote his credentials, but I suspect that you already know who he is. As for long term side effects, I'm willing to bet my own health on "none": https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-what-are-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines-3-things-to-know https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-... What makes Goepfert think that scientists won’t discover previously unsuspected problems caused by COVID vaccines in the years ahead? There are several reasons. 1. Vaccines are eliminated quickly 2. Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all 3. Our COVID vaccine experience during the past six months