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Human being is perhaps the only living being that drinks other animal's milk and even after the age of 4 or 5. Why?

by mkbkn 5y ago

00N8 5y ago
We invented farming, so we had the opportunity. Other animals never figured out how to get milk unless humans or their mothers give it to them.
- tdsamardzhiev 5y ago
  Additionally, most animals won't say no to milk if you offer it to them. So yeah, I guess we're the only ones who figured out how to get the milk without getting the horns :)
- ajuc 5y ago
  Some ant species farm fungi in their nests and milk aphids.
biellls 5y ago
As humans we have always tried to obtain foods that are safe and nutritious. Even though milk has potential allergens it contains no poisons, toxins or anti-nutrients unlike many plant foods. It is incredibly nutritious and contains sufficient amounts of most minerals and vitamins needed to sustain life (babies use it exclusively without developing any deficiencies after all). Apart from this it has other qualities that make it useful in a post-agriculture world. Diets rich in grains and animal meat are too rich in iron and phosphorous and deficient in calcium. Milk is low in iron, and even binds to iron reducing its absorption. It also has higher calcium compared to phosphorous. It has been shown that the ratio of calcium to phosphorous matters more than absolute consumption of each nutrient, and should be slightly higher than one if we want to avoid leeching calcium from bones. Diets rich in leafy greens and fruits have a favorable ratio, while meats, legumes and cereals do not and this probably contributed to the skeletal deformities we see post agriculture. Dairy helps shift the ratio closer to optimal in the presence of phosphorous rich foods in the diet. With allergies and intolerances being the only reasons not to drink it, and those being more common in poor health. The question should be, why not drink milk?
- toiletfuneral 5y ago
  How come milk drinkers don’t drink bull semen? Its an honest question, while they seem equally gross to me, I wonder if there’s a nutritional reason it didn’t catch on?
- fogihujy 5y ago
  Let's put it this way: Consuming dairy products was historically seen so beneficial that we evolved the ability to digest lactose not just once, but multiple times in history. It may not be as critical today, but at some point in time, being able to digest lactose was an evolutionary advantage.
- Pyramus 5y ago
  The question whether milk is beneficial for humans is far more complicated than you suggest. The only thing we know for sure is that consuming milk is not the net positive that it has been portrayed to be. It's most likely a net zero [1] with a number of positive benefits that you describe, in particular for infants. There are however a number of risks as well, in particular when you define milk as the product that you can buy in an American/European supermarket or if you look at dairy products more generally. And that's not taking into consideration that the majority of the world's population is lactose intolerant. Here is a link to get you started (don't take this source literally for reasons of bias but treat it as a starting point) [2]. [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/dairy-health-food-or-health-risk-2019012515849 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/dairy-health-food-or-hea... [2] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/health-concerns-about-dairy https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/he...
  - biellls 5y ago
    I did not even try to approach the question of whether milk is beneficial to health. First we would need to define the question better. Beneficial compared to what? To a dairy free pre agricultural diet? Then it's probably neutral at best. However compared to a calcium deficient diet it's definitely an improvement even if it didn't turn out to be absolutely optimal. Getting enough calcium in the diet has been linked to healthier BMI and decreased risk of stroke and heart disease. You can get calcium elsewhere but most people don't, or they didn't at the time. And if you replace milk in the diet you now need to find many other sources of nutrition to make up for lost vitamins and micronutrients which might have been challenging in cooler climates. Maybe milk isn't absolutely optimal for health, the jury is still out on that, but likely it was much better than anything they could get at the time. Even in the context of a modern diet, replacing milk with soy milk and vegetable milks will yield too much phosphorous and leave you deficient in calcium unless it's fortified (calcium citrate, malate and other kinds of supplemental calcium are linked to worse health, in contrast to dietary calcium which seems to be protective). It can be done by eating a mostly vegetarian diet rich in fruits and leafy greens, or grinding eggshells yourself and adding it to meals but most of the population won't be doing that when eliminating dairy.
yunohn 5y ago
Cats and dogs both can drink cow milk. It’s just that animals don’t have a way to extract milk from other animals, the way humans can. Similarly, I could argue that animals don’t farm vegetables and eat most vegetables, so why should humans?
have_faith 5y ago
Human beings are the only living beings to consume a whole list of food products that aren't possible without modern processing (cooking, fermenting, pickling, etc) and we eat many "normal" foods in ways that other animals wouldn't. Why isn't really an easy question to answer other than to say because we decide to. This is a very common vegan talking point but I don't think it's a particuarly poignant point to make from that perspective (I don't know if that was your intention). It's sort of like asking why we eat bread, because no other being consumes anything remotely similar.
throwaway59553 5y ago
Because it's tasty and because it's a great source of proteins.
seszett 5y ago
Humans are pretty unique in all aspects of their nutrition. More obvious than the consumption of milk is the fact that we cook most of our food while no other living being does it. No other animal mixes different food sources into a single dish either. No other animal grinds seeds into flour, etc. Drinking milk is one of the least weird things we do regarding food.
betwixthewires 5y ago
Humans are also the only living beings to go to space. Humans do a lot of things other animals don't do. Why drink milk? Because it was beneficial at one time to do so. Milk is a very nutrient dense food, if you were a member of a nomadic culture you'd want food sources you can bring with you, and nutrient dense ones. Many people in the modern world are descended from nomadic groups who consumed milk, so it is a cultural trend that sticks around. I believe it is still beneficial to use dairy products but I don't do it very much because I don't like to keep foods that require refrigeration if I can help it.

Human being is perhaps the only living being that drinks other animal's milk and even after the age of 4 or 5. Why?

by mkbkn 5y ago

Human being is perhaps the only living being that drinks other animal's milk and even after the age of 4 or 5. Why?

00N8 5y ago

We invented farming, so we had the opportunity. Other animals never figured out how to get milk unless humans or their mothers give it to them.

tdsamardzhiev 5y ago
Additionally, most animals won't say no to milk if you offer it to them. So yeah, I guess we're the only ones who figured out how to get the milk without getting the horns :)
ajuc 5y ago
Some ant species farm fungi in their nests and milk aphids.

biellls 5y ago

As humans we have always tried to obtain foods that are safe and nutritious. Even though milk has potential allergens it contains no poisons, toxins or anti-nutrients unlike many plant foods. It is incredibly nutritious and contains sufficient amounts of most minerals and vitamins needed to sustain life (babies use it exclusively without developing any deficiencies after all). Apart from this it has other qualities that make it useful in a post-agriculture world. Diets rich in grains and animal meat are too rich in iron and phosphorous and deficient in calcium. Milk is low in iron, and even binds to iron reducing its absorption. It also has higher calcium compared to phosphorous. It has been shown that the ratio of calcium to phosphorous matters more than absolute consumption of each nutrient, and should be slightly higher than one if we want to avoid leeching calcium from bones. Diets rich in leafy greens and fruits have a favorable ratio, while meats, legumes and cereals do not and this probably contributed to the skeletal deformities we see post agriculture. Dairy helps shift the ratio closer to optimal in the presence of phosphorous rich foods in the diet. With allergies and intolerances being the only reasons not to drink it, and those being more common in poor health. The question should be, why not drink milk?

toiletfuneral 5y ago
How come milk drinkers don’t drink bull semen? Its an honest question, while they seem equally gross to me, I wonder if there’s a nutritional reason it didn’t catch on?
fogihujy 5y ago
Let's put it this way: Consuming dairy products was historically seen so beneficial that we evolved the ability to digest lactose not just once, but multiple times in history. It may not be as critical today, but at some point in time, being able to digest lactose was an evolutionary advantage.
Pyramus 5y ago
The question whether milk is beneficial for humans is far more complicated than you suggest. The only thing we know for sure is that consuming milk is not the net positive that it has been portrayed to be. It's most likely a net zero [1] with a number of positive benefits that you describe, in particular for infants. There are however a number of risks as well, in particular when you define milk as the product that you can buy in an American/European supermarket or if you look at dairy products more generally. And that's not taking into consideration that the majority of the world's population is lactose intolerant. Here is a link to get you started (don't take this source literally for reasons of bias but treat it as a starting point) [2]. [1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/dairy-health-food-or-health-risk-2019012515849 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/dairy-health-food-or-hea... [2] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/health-concerns-about-dairy https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/he...
- biellls 5y ago
  I did not even try to approach the question of whether milk is beneficial to health. First we would need to define the question better. Beneficial compared to what? To a dairy free pre agricultural diet? Then it's probably neutral at best. However compared to a calcium deficient diet it's definitely an improvement even if it didn't turn out to be absolutely optimal. Getting enough calcium in the diet has been linked to healthier BMI and decreased risk of stroke and heart disease. You can get calcium elsewhere but most people don't, or they didn't at the time. And if you replace milk in the diet you now need to find many other sources of nutrition to make up for lost vitamins and micronutrients which might have been challenging in cooler climates. Maybe milk isn't absolutely optimal for health, the jury is still out on that, but likely it was much better than anything they could get at the time. Even in the context of a modern diet, replacing milk with soy milk and vegetable milks will yield too much phosphorous and leave you deficient in calcium unless it's fortified (calcium citrate, malate and other kinds of supplemental calcium are linked to worse health, in contrast to dietary calcium which seems to be protective). It can be done by eating a mostly vegetarian diet rich in fruits and leafy greens, or grinding eggshells yourself and adding it to meals but most of the population won't be doing that when eliminating dairy.

yunohn 5y ago

Cats and dogs both can drink cow milk. It’s just that animals don’t have a way to extract milk from other animals, the way humans can. Similarly, I could argue that animals don’t farm vegetables and eat most vegetables, so why should humans?

have_faith 5y ago

Human beings are the only living beings to consume a whole list of food products that aren't possible without modern processing (cooking, fermenting, pickling, etc) and we eat many "normal" foods in ways that other animals wouldn't. Why isn't really an easy question to answer other than to say because we decide to. This is a very common vegan talking point but I don't think it's a particuarly poignant point to make from that perspective (I don't know if that was your intention). It's sort of like asking why we eat bread, because no other being consumes anything remotely similar.

throwaway59553 5y ago

Because it's tasty and because it's a great source of proteins.

seszett 5y ago

Humans are pretty unique in all aspects of their nutrition. More obvious than the consumption of milk is the fact that we cook most of our food while no other living being does it. No other animal mixes different food sources into a single dish either. No other animal grinds seeds into flour, etc. Drinking milk is one of the least weird things we do regarding food.

betwixthewires 5y ago

Humans are also the only living beings to go to space. Humans do a lot of things other animals don't do. Why drink milk? Because it was beneficial at one time to do so. Milk is a very nutrient dense food, if you were a member of a nomadic culture you'd want food sources you can bring with you, and nutrient dense ones. Many people in the modern world are descended from nomadic groups who consumed milk, so it is a cultural trend that sticks around. I believe it is still beneficial to use dairy products but I don't do it very much because I don't like to keep foods that require refrigeration if I can help it.