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It does because you place disproportionate strain on the healthcare system, which limits its accessibility to others. There also is a 100% successful method fo

It does because you place disproportionate strain on the healthcare system, which limits its accessibility to others. There also is a 100% successful method for losing weight, it's just that people can't or choose not to follow it, but we could mandate it and force them to. For their own good and the good of the healthcare system. (We probably should not mandate that or any other drug or medical treatment)

lukebitts 5y ago
No it doesn’t. People have been smoking, drinking and being fat for decades now and we haven’t had a crisis or a lack of beds for the rest of the public.
- sparrish 5y ago
  That's ridiculous. Hospitals fill up on a regular basis, now and before Covid. They like to keep as close to capacity as they can - $$. If we have more need for beds, we build more beds. We don't take away personal freedom.
  - lukebitts 5y ago
    It’s a fact that before Covid we didn’t have a crisis for lack of beds (where I live) and after Covid we do. What hospitals like to do is irrelevant, I’m talking about reality
    - cfn 5y ago
      Where I live (Portugal) there is an ICU/beds crisis every single year due to respiratory diseases such as flu, pneumonia, etc. It even makes the news with patients in lying in corridors and such. This year it wasn't different at all.
glogla 5y ago
If you care about healthcare costs, think about all those antivaxx idiots who end up on oxygen and ventilator before finally kicking the bucket. Way more money than obesity!
emn13 5y ago
Do you really believe that mandating people do a difficult, time consuming task for years is reasonably equivalent to mandating them to get two shots, which take about 5 minutes each? If no, then whatever the merits of your conclusion it certainly doesn't follow from the comparison made.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  No, it takes no time to eat less (it takes less time in fact), or stand on a scale once a week. In the weeks between the two shots (are we ruling out boosters?), a person could easily have lost several pounds and didn't even have to step out of the house into the risky possibly covid-filled environment -- already a significant improvement and reduction on the stress of the healthcare system. So losing weight is actually much easier, less time consuming task than to get vaccinated.
  - hhmc 5y ago
    If it’s as easy as you say to lose weight (and it must be very easy if, as you say, it’s easier than receiving a vaccine that a majority of US adults have received). Then tell me, why are so many people still obese?
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      I didn't say it was psychologically any easier than it is psychologically easy for someone who does not want to get a vaccine to be forced to take one. But the mechanism is perfectly simple and easy, easier than going out to get vaccines. So just mandate and force them not to eat as much, and ban them from civil society if they fail their weigh ins.
      - hhmc 5y ago
        > I didn't say it was psychologically any easier than it is psychologically easy for someone who does not want to get a vaccine to be forced to take one. You just blanket said it was 'easier'. You pick one definition when it suits you - it's textbook bad faith argumentation.

lukebitts 5y ago

No it doesn’t. People have been smoking, drinking and being fat for decades now and we haven’t had a crisis or a lack of beds for the rest of the public.

sparrish 5y ago
That's ridiculous. Hospitals fill up on a regular basis, now and before Covid. They like to keep as close to capacity as they can - $$. If we have more need for beds, we build more beds. We don't take away personal freedom.
- lukebitts 5y ago
  It’s a fact that before Covid we didn’t have a crisis for lack of beds (where I live) and after Covid we do. What hospitals like to do is irrelevant, I’m talking about reality
  - cfn 5y ago
    Where I live (Portugal) there is an ICU/beds crisis every single year due to respiratory diseases such as flu, pneumonia, etc. It even makes the news with patients in lying in corridors and such. This year it wasn't different at all.

glogla 5y ago

If you care about healthcare costs, think about all those antivaxx idiots who end up on oxygen and ventilator before finally kicking the bucket. Way more money than obesity!

emn13 5y ago

Do you really believe that mandating people do a difficult, time consuming task for years is reasonably equivalent to mandating them to get two shots, which take about 5 minutes each? If no, then whatever the merits of your conclusion it certainly doesn't follow from the comparison made.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
No, it takes no time to eat less (it takes less time in fact), or stand on a scale once a week. In the weeks between the two shots (are we ruling out boosters?), a person could easily have lost several pounds and didn't even have to step out of the house into the risky possibly covid-filled environment -- already a significant improvement and reduction on the stress of the healthcare system. So losing weight is actually much easier, less time consuming task than to get vaccinated.
- hhmc 5y ago
  If it’s as easy as you say to lose weight (and it must be very easy if, as you say, it’s easier than receiving a vaccine that a majority of US adults have received). Then tell me, why are so many people still obese?
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    I didn't say it was psychologically any easier than it is psychologically easy for someone who does not want to get a vaccine to be forced to take one. But the mechanism is perfectly simple and easy, easier than going out to get vaccines. So just mandate and force them not to eat as much, and ban them from civil society if they fail their weigh ins.
    - hhmc 5y ago
      > I didn't say it was psychologically any easier than it is psychologically easy for someone who does not want to get a vaccine to be forced to take one. You just blanket said it was 'easier'. You pick one definition when it suits you - it's textbook bad faith argumentation.