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The consequences of "just vaccinate everybody": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests

The consequences of "just vaccinate everybody": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r... What if this was worse? That's some 25 million people in the USA alone. What if it was much worse and what if we don't know the full story? We must be allowed to figure everything out as we go, but for some reason the Democrats in power want to divide us along vaxed vs unvaxed lines. Why? That's a false dilemma considering the 100+ million who have excellent antibodies from natural immunity already.

freeflight 5y ago
It's weird how under-reported any findings on side-effects are, another one to watch out for is hepatitis infections [0] I also don't think it's particularly useful to frame this into a US domestic "the democrats in power!" narrative. The issue is extremely polarized all over the world, rarely any place allows for any nuance outside of the imagined "anybody who doesn't want to get vaccinated fears Bill Gates 5G" two camps. Trying to make this into a "Them Democrats are to blame!" is just more of that partisan kindergarten in a different flavor. [0] https://www.dovepress.com/hepatitis-c-virus-reactivation-following-covid-19-vaccination--a-case--peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-IMCRJ https://www.dovepress.com/hepatitis-c-virus-reactivation-fol...
- throwawayfear 5y ago
  I agree that it is weird how under-reported findings on side effects are. The narrative has been such that it's not considered okay or safe to discuss those or to report on those as openly. And treating the established narrative as sacrosanct. I hear you and accept your point about mentioning a political party. If you are sensitive to that type of thing, it is my hope that you will also be sensitive to the "vax vs unvax" and "pandemic of the unvaccinated" false dilemmas being painted in the media.
radley 5y ago
I believe there are many, very smart people working on this, taking this very seriously, and giving the best advice they can. You're free to think it's political power grab designed to divide us, but I won't entertain that kind of debate.
- throwawayfear 5y ago
  That's a fallacious appeal to authority and also an appeal to the volume of supposed authorities. It doesn't matter how smart they are. That doesn't change that we do see tyranny emerging, notably in places like Australia. And even NYC where they are now piloting "papers please" as a model. I've shared these before, but here is what is happening in Australia: They're going to force people who quarantine at home (rather than a government-mandated quarantine "hotel" with guards) to install and use an app. Facial recognition, GPS tracking in your own home. And it will randomly ping you, and if you don't respond within 15 minutes it'll send the police to your house to conduct an in-person quarantine check. Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-australia-still-liberal-democracy/619940/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-a... They're arresting people for making Facebook posts against lockdowns. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54007824 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54007824 Australia presumes to say how many people can visit your home. Source: https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-australia-how-will-they-work-and-what-will-you-need-them-for-167531 https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-... “NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday announced freedoms for fully vaccinated people once 70% of the state’s eligible population are double dosed. These include being able to go to hospitality venues, hairdressers and gyms, and have five people to your home.” They can arbitrarily lock you in your apartment building for up to weeks, no one allowed to leave. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53316097 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53316097 Do you want things like these being built everywhere? Does Australia not have "many, very smart people working on this" and taking it seriously? Is this a debate to entertain, or an existential threat to your and my free way of life? I'm not here to debate anything. I have lots of work to do. I'm here to raise the alarm far outside my comfort zone because barely anyone else is. This is a blatant power grab. Wake up.

freeflight 5y ago

It's weird how under-reported any findings on side-effects are, another one to watch out for is hepatitis infections [0] I also don't think it's particularly useful to frame this into a US domestic "the democrats in power!" narrative. The issue is extremely polarized all over the world, rarely any place allows for any nuance outside of the imagined "anybody who doesn't want to get vaccinated fears Bill Gates 5G" two camps. Trying to make this into a "Them Democrats are to blame!" is just more of that partisan kindergarten in a different flavor. [0] https://www.dovepress.com/hepatitis-c-virus-reactivation-following-covid-19-vaccination--a-case--peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-IMCRJ https://www.dovepress.com/hepatitis-c-virus-reactivation-fol...

throwawayfear 5y ago
I agree that it is weird how under-reported findings on side effects are. The narrative has been such that it's not considered okay or safe to discuss those or to report on those as openly. And treating the established narrative as sacrosanct. I hear you and accept your point about mentioning a political party. If you are sensitive to that type of thing, it is my hope that you will also be sensitive to the "vax vs unvax" and "pandemic of the unvaccinated" false dilemmas being painted in the media.

radley 5y ago

I believe there are many, very smart people working on this, taking this very seriously, and giving the best advice they can. You're free to think it's political power grab designed to divide us, but I won't entertain that kind of debate.

throwawayfear 5y ago
That's a fallacious appeal to authority and also an appeal to the volume of supposed authorities. It doesn't matter how smart they are. That doesn't change that we do see tyranny emerging, notably in places like Australia. And even NYC where they are now piloting "papers please" as a model. I've shared these before, but here is what is happening in Australia: They're going to force people who quarantine at home (rather than a government-mandated quarantine "hotel" with guards) to install and use an app. Facial recognition, GPS tracking in your own home. And it will randomly ping you, and if you don't respond within 15 minutes it'll send the police to your house to conduct an in-person quarantine check. Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-australia-still-liberal-democracy/619940/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-a... They're arresting people for making Facebook posts against lockdowns. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54007824 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54007824 Australia presumes to say how many people can visit your home. Source: https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-australia-how-will-they-work-and-what-will-you-need-them-for-167531 https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-... “NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday announced freedoms for fully vaccinated people once 70% of the state’s eligible population are double dosed. These include being able to go to hospitality venues, hairdressers and gyms, and have five people to your home.” They can arbitrarily lock you in your apartment building for up to weeks, no one allowed to leave. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53316097 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53316097 Do you want things like these being built everywhere? Does Australia not have "many, very smart people working on this" and taking it seriously? Is this a debate to entertain, or an existential threat to your and my free way of life? I'm not here to debate anything. I have lots of work to do. I'm here to raise the alarm far outside my comfort zone because barely anyone else is. This is a blatant power grab. Wake up.