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Except the food you eat to get fat is often much cheaper than the food to stay healthy. Produce is expensive per calorie, lean meat is expensive per calorie, co

Except the food you eat to get fat is often much cheaper than the food to stay healthy. Produce is expensive per calorie, lean meat is expensive per calorie, cooking takes time and effort, and a gym membership is expensive. This is one of the reasons why obesity is so prevalent, it's much easier than staying healthy. It's not just 20% more of what healthy people eat.

tayo42 5y ago
> Produce is expensive per calorie, Thats kind of the point of eating fresh food, your filled with less calories. you eat less, your at a healthy weight. That not the stuff getting people fat. Look how many calories are in mcdonals burgers. People are getting fat becasue they're uneducated. They drink sodas, sweet teas, eat candy and excessive alcohol
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  The point is that it's much cheaper to fill your belly with a McDonald's burger than artisanal bread, fresh tomato, minced lean meat. Much, much cheaper. If you are aiming to eat 2000 calories per day, you will do eat much more cheaply with a pizza and a burger than with good food.
  - tayo42 5y ago
    There's nothing really bad about a fast food burger. No one is getting obese eating a cheese burger. https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/cheeseburger.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/cheeseburger.html The problem is the fries, juice, milk shakes, sodas https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/large-french-fries.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/large-french-frie... 500 unnecessary empty calories. > If you are aiming to eat 2000 calories per day, you will do eat much more cheaply with a pizza and a burger than with good food. If you eat 2000 calories your not going to be obese, no matter what your eating
    - tsimionescu 5y ago
      > If you eat 2000 calories your not going to be obese, no matter what your eating BMRs are estimated between typical ranges 1200-2400 across the population (with 1200 being short people with no muscle, and 2400 being tall toned people; body builders and athletes can be significantly above this). If you're 1.6m tall and are not working out at all, eating 2000 calories per day will quickly get you overweight. > There's nothing really bad about a fast food burger. No one is getting obese eating a cheese burger. > The problem is the fries, juice, milk shakes, sodas Well, the burger bread, especially if its sweetened + sauces + the cheese are more than half the calories in the burger, and just as empty as the soda, fries, juice, milk shake. The tomato and pickles are fine, the meat is ok. Even then, your deeper point, which I assume is that 2000 Cal is 2000 Cal, whether you get it from lettuce or burgers, is almost certainly wrong in practice. While in the short term it's true (i.e. someone with a generally healthy diet will not get any more fat by eating an extra burger than by eating an equivalent amount of extra apples), it's very clear that in the long term there is a significant difference in CI (appetite) or CO (BMR, sedentariness) for people on junk diets vs better food. The reasons for this are unknown, and candidate explanations range from "delicious food" addiction, gut microbiome impact, sugar addiction, metabolism-impacting contaminant (with various candidates such as PFAS, trace mineral oils from industrial cooking equipment, etc).
      - tayo42 5y ago
        2000 is pretty average, you dont need to make the post confusing by pointing out edgecases. yeah we all know if your short or workout you need slighty different needs so the whole point in the last two paragraphs is based off of how much you eat. its education about food and eating in excess thats needed. not saying a fast food burger it self is bad. the problem is every other poor decision made at a drive through window
        tsimionescu 5y ago
        > 2000 is pretty average, you dont need to make the post confusing by pointing out edgecases. It's not "slightly different needs", it's 2000 +- 50%, just in the average population. For example, most women eating 2000 Cal/day are overweight (since women tend to have less lean body mass than men at the same height and exercise level). > so the whole point in the last two paragraphs is based off of how much you eat. No, the whole point is that appetite and digestion and lifestyle may well be affected by what you eat. So what you eat almost certainly influences how much you eat. The fast food burger could be the cause of you also craving the milkshake.

tayo42 5y ago

> Produce is expensive per calorie, Thats kind of the point of eating fresh food, your filled with less calories. you eat less, your at a healthy weight. That not the stuff getting people fat. Look how many calories are in mcdonals burgers. People are getting fat becasue they're uneducated. They drink sodas, sweet teas, eat candy and excessive alcohol

tsimionescu 5y ago
The point is that it's much cheaper to fill your belly with a McDonald's burger than artisanal bread, fresh tomato, minced lean meat. Much, much cheaper. If you are aiming to eat 2000 calories per day, you will do eat much more cheaply with a pizza and a burger than with good food.
- tayo42 5y ago
  There's nothing really bad about a fast food burger. No one is getting obese eating a cheese burger. https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/cheeseburger.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/cheeseburger.html The problem is the fries, juice, milk shakes, sodas https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/large-french-fries.html https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/large-french-frie... 500 unnecessary empty calories. > If you are aiming to eat 2000 calories per day, you will do eat much more cheaply with a pizza and a burger than with good food. If you eat 2000 calories your not going to be obese, no matter what your eating
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    > If you eat 2000 calories your not going to be obese, no matter what your eating BMRs are estimated between typical ranges 1200-2400 across the population (with 1200 being short people with no muscle, and 2400 being tall toned people; body builders and athletes can be significantly above this). If you're 1.6m tall and are not working out at all, eating 2000 calories per day will quickly get you overweight. > There's nothing really bad about a fast food burger. No one is getting obese eating a cheese burger. > The problem is the fries, juice, milk shakes, sodas Well, the burger bread, especially if its sweetened + sauces + the cheese are more than half the calories in the burger, and just as empty as the soda, fries, juice, milk shake. The tomato and pickles are fine, the meat is ok. Even then, your deeper point, which I assume is that 2000 Cal is 2000 Cal, whether you get it from lettuce or burgers, is almost certainly wrong in practice. While in the short term it's true (i.e. someone with a generally healthy diet will not get any more fat by eating an extra burger than by eating an equivalent amount of extra apples), it's very clear that in the long term there is a significant difference in CI (appetite) or CO (BMR, sedentariness) for people on junk diets vs better food. The reasons for this are unknown, and candidate explanations range from "delicious food" addiction, gut microbiome impact, sugar addiction, metabolism-impacting contaminant (with various candidates such as PFAS, trace mineral oils from industrial cooking equipment, etc).
    - tayo42 5y ago
      2000 is pretty average, you dont need to make the post confusing by pointing out edgecases. yeah we all know if your short or workout you need slighty different needs so the whole point in the last two paragraphs is based off of how much you eat. its education about food and eating in excess thats needed. not saying a fast food burger it self is bad. the problem is every other poor decision made at a drive through window
      - tsimionescu 5y ago
        > 2000 is pretty average, you dont need to make the post confusing by pointing out edgecases. It's not "slightly different needs", it's 2000 +- 50%, just in the average population. For example, most women eating 2000 Cal/day are overweight (since women tend to have less lean body mass than men at the same height and exercise level). > so the whole point in the last two paragraphs is based off of how much you eat. No, the whole point is that appetite and digestion and lifestyle may well be affected by what you eat. So what you eat almost certainly influences how much you eat. The fast food burger could be the cause of you also craving the milkshake.