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It's not an accidentally two tiered society it's an entirely conscious effort to exclude those who You're right, it's an intentional effort by Democrats in pow

It's not an accidentally two tiered society it's an entirely conscious effort to exclude those who You're right, it's an intentional effort by Democrats in power to create divisions in the United States when the reality is not vax vs unvax at all. Natural immunity is relevant to over 100 million Americans by now yet that's not making it into the narrative. won't protect their fellows and it's unlikely to be limited to the present crisis. When this crisis is gone someday there will be another and we will want to be prepared to handle it better than we have this one. The extent of this crisis is overblown. The best way to protect each other is to wear a mask when case numbers go above N, and to offer free vaccines as an option for anyone who doesn't have natural immunity. This is not the approach being taken. Why not? It can't be said to be about protecting people if we're ignoring the 100 million+ who have antibodies from past covid. Those antibodies are superior to two shots of Pfizer. Incidentally boys have an outsized share of the risk of complications but still less than the risk of covid Incorrect. The guidance mentioned in the link above is that they are at lower risk if they just get covid, versus getting vaccination. The correct thing to do is take the minimum effort to protect yourself and others and stop complaining. And the minimum effort is masking when cases numbers are above N. And stop complaining? I'll shout it from the rooftops until people wake up to the tyrannical systems being built.

kelnos 5y ago
You keep claiming that 100M+ people in the US already have "superior" antibodies from a past infection, but you've provided no evidence of this. Just because someone suffered an infection, it doesn't mean they're now naturally immune. That immunity might have worn off, or their illness may not have been severe enough to provoke an immune response that confers as much protection as one of the vaccines do. I would love to read a study that shows natural, extended immunity in everyone (or even just many or most people) who has been previously infected, but I don't think that study exists, and it's telling that you haven't linked to one.
- throwawayfear 5y ago
  You keep claiming that 100M+ people in the US already have "superior" antibodies from a past infection, but you've provided no evidence of this. Yes I did, you must have missed it in the parent comments. https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/one-three-americans-already-had-covid-19-end-2020 https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news... From article: "A new study published in the journal Nature estimates that 103 million Americans, or 31 percent of the U.S. population, had been infected with SARS-CoV-2 by the end of 2020" Over 100 million! Past covid and therefore natural immunity. Just because someone suffered an infection, it doesn't mean they're now naturally immune. That immunity might have worn off, or their illness may not have been severe enough to provoke an immune response that confers as much protection as one of the vaccines do. I would love to read a study that shows natural, extended immunity in everyone (or even just many or most people) who has been previously infected, but I don't think that study exists, and it's telling that you haven't linked to one. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-... https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... From science.org article: "The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label." Also, the evidence says that the antibodies are slated to last a lifetime. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

kelnos 5y ago

You keep claiming that 100M+ people in the US already have "superior" antibodies from a past infection, but you've provided no evidence of this. Just because someone suffered an infection, it doesn't mean they're now naturally immune. That immunity might have worn off, or their illness may not have been severe enough to provoke an immune response that confers as much protection as one of the vaccines do. I would love to read a study that shows natural, extended immunity in everyone (or even just many or most people) who has been previously infected, but I don't think that study exists, and it's telling that you haven't linked to one.

throwawayfear 5y ago
You keep claiming that 100M+ people in the US already have "superior" antibodies from a past infection, but you've provided no evidence of this. Yes I did, you must have missed it in the parent comments. https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/one-three-americans-already-had-covid-19-end-2020 https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news... From article: "A new study published in the journal Nature estimates that 103 million Americans, or 31 percent of the U.S. population, had been infected with SARS-CoV-2 by the end of 2020" Over 100 million! Past covid and therefore natural immunity. Just because someone suffered an infection, it doesn't mean they're now naturally immune. That immunity might have worn off, or their illness may not have been severe enough to provoke an immune response that confers as much protection as one of the vaccines do. I would love to read a study that shows natural, extended immunity in everyone (or even just many or most people) who has been previously infected, but I don't think that study exists, and it's telling that you haven't linked to one. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-... https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on... From science.org article: "The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label." Also, the evidence says that the antibodies are slated to last a lifetime. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9