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Some vaccination rates[1]: Democrats: 88% Republicans: 55% Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62% Republicans who support Trump more than party:

by slg 5y ago

Some vaccination rates[1]: Democrats: 88% Republicans: 55% Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62% Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46% Biden voters in 2020 general election: 91% Trump voters in 2020 general election: 50% Let's not "both sides" this issue. It should be obvious who is to blame for the US's less than stellar vaccination rates and it isn't well-intentioned but manipulative messaging coming from health officials. [1] - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-poll-shows-demographic-breakdown-vaccinated-u-s-n1277514 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-pol...

gorwell 5y ago
I don't think we should go down that road. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographics-trends https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demogr...
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- slg 5y ago
  Can you explain what you think your link is showing? I honestly can't tell. First off there is this disclaimer: >These demographic data represent the geographic areas that contributed data and might differ by populations prioritized within each jurisdiction’s vaccination phase. Therefore, these data may not be generalizable to the entire US population. That page also shows the overall percentage of the population with at least one shot is 75.7% and yet no demographic group reaches that number except those over 50 years old. It seems clear that the CDC data is incomplete enough to not be fully trusted, but even if we do trust it, it doesn't do anything to disprove that the highest contributor to a person's vaccination status (besides potentially age) is their personal politics.
  - dnissley 5y ago
    The page explains this with a small note: "Race/Ethnicity data were available for 64% receiving at least one dose and 69.1% of people fully vaccinated". So increasing the numbers by about 50% to account for that makes it look more reasonable. Regardless, if we're nitpicking data quality surely a random nbc news poll doesn't exactly pass muster either.
    - slg 5y ago
      The NBC News poll is designed to be representative of national numbers and the CDC page specifically calls out that it isn't designed to be representative of national numbers. Therefore the CDC numbers aren't necessarily more accurate just because the sample size is bigger. And like I said, even if we take the CDC numbers as the objective truth, they do not contradict my original point.
  - beerandt 5y ago
    It's meaningless, unadjusted percentages of separate populations. Idk if it's supposed to mislead or confuse, or if they're just idiots at the CDC that don't understand statistics. They shouldn't be comparing percentages of the 3 populations, which is misleading based on different subset sizes. They should be saying what percentage of each demographic has been vaccinated, which is what they insinuate. They give 9.9% total and 14.6% last 14 days representative proportions for Black, who are 12.4 % of the US population. And 61.6% total and 47.9% 14-day for White, who are 61.2% of the US. These seem fairly even, but really 9.9/12.4 gives only 80% of black proportional makeup. While White is 61.6/61.2= 101% And it makes no sense to compare the 14 day subset percentage against either other number.
userbinator 5y ago
Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46% ...and yet Trump himself is vaccinated. American politics is weird.
- qzw 5y ago
  … and got booed at his own rally when he encouraged people to get the vaccine. American politics is now a 100% tail-wagging-the-dog situation.
caseysoftware 5y ago
That's a poll. If you use actual vaccination data, there are other patterns[0]: White: 52% Black: 43% Hispanic: 48% Asian: 68% When you view all things through a political lens, you'll miss important details. [0] - https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-... - as of 07 September
- enkid 5y ago
  You can't just drop percentages without saying what they are. Those are not vaccination rates. Those are proportion of vaccination percentage to case percentage. What exactly are you trying to argue here?
  - caseysoftware 5y ago
    From the table: "Percent of Total Population that has Received a COVID-19 Vaccine Dose by Race/Ethnicity, Selected States, September 7, 2021"
- slg 5y ago
  My response is the same as to your sibling comment, what are you trying to say here? This doesn't disprove my initial point. Remember that Black people and Hispanics only make up roughly 30% of the population. They can be vaccinated at much lower rates than whites and still by only a minority of the overall unvaccinated population. Looking at all these numbers together, who someone voted for in the last presidential election is a much stronger indicator of their vaccination status than their race.
  - water8 5y ago
    They cant be vaccinated at lower rates if they want a job according to biden

by slg 5y ago

gorwell 5y ago

I don't think we should go down that road. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographics-trends https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demogr...

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slg 5y ago
Can you explain what you think your link is showing? I honestly can't tell. First off there is this disclaimer: >These demographic data represent the geographic areas that contributed data and might differ by populations prioritized within each jurisdiction’s vaccination phase. Therefore, these data may not be generalizable to the entire US population. That page also shows the overall percentage of the population with at least one shot is 75.7% and yet no demographic group reaches that number except those over 50 years old. It seems clear that the CDC data is incomplete enough to not be fully trusted, but even if we do trust it, it doesn't do anything to disprove that the highest contributor to a person's vaccination status (besides potentially age) is their personal politics.
- dnissley 5y ago
  The page explains this with a small note: "Race/Ethnicity data were available for 64% receiving at least one dose and 69.1% of people fully vaccinated". So increasing the numbers by about 50% to account for that makes it look more reasonable. Regardless, if we're nitpicking data quality surely a random nbc news poll doesn't exactly pass muster either.
  - slg 5y ago
    The NBC News poll is designed to be representative of national numbers and the CDC page specifically calls out that it isn't designed to be representative of national numbers. Therefore the CDC numbers aren't necessarily more accurate just because the sample size is bigger. And like I said, even if we take the CDC numbers as the objective truth, they do not contradict my original point.
- beerandt 5y ago
  It's meaningless, unadjusted percentages of separate populations. Idk if it's supposed to mislead or confuse, or if they're just idiots at the CDC that don't understand statistics. They shouldn't be comparing percentages of the 3 populations, which is misleading based on different subset sizes. They should be saying what percentage of each demographic has been vaccinated, which is what they insinuate. They give 9.9% total and 14.6% last 14 days representative proportions for Black, who are 12.4 % of the US population. And 61.6% total and 47.9% 14-day for White, who are 61.2% of the US. These seem fairly even, but really 9.9/12.4 gives only 80% of black proportional makeup. While White is 61.6/61.2= 101% And it makes no sense to compare the 14 day subset percentage against either other number.

userbinator 5y ago

Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46% ...and yet Trump himself is vaccinated. American politics is weird.

qzw 5y ago
… and got booed at his own rally when he encouraged people to get the vaccine. American politics is now a 100% tail-wagging-the-dog situation.

caseysoftware 5y ago

That's a poll. If you use actual vaccination data, there are other patterns[0]: White: 52% Black: 43% Hispanic: 48% Asian: 68% When you view all things through a political lens, you'll miss important details. [0] - https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-... - as of 07 September

enkid 5y ago
You can't just drop percentages without saying what they are. Those are not vaccination rates. Those are proportion of vaccination percentage to case percentage. What exactly are you trying to argue here?
- caseysoftware 5y ago
  From the table: "Percent of Total Population that has Received a COVID-19 Vaccine Dose by Race/Ethnicity, Selected States, September 7, 2021"
slg 5y ago
My response is the same as to your sibling comment, what are you trying to say here? This doesn't disprove my initial point. Remember that Black people and Hispanics only make up roughly 30% of the population. They can be vaccinated at much lower rates than whites and still by only a minority of the overall unvaccinated population. Looking at all these numbers together, who someone voted for in the last presidential election is a much stronger indicator of their vaccination status than their race.
- water8 5y ago
  They cant be vaccinated at lower rates if they want a job according to biden