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How can getting the vaccine be the appropriate course of action when 4,000 people have died from it, according to the CDC themselves? I am talking specifically

by fridif 5y ago

How can getting the vaccine be the appropriate course of action when 4,000 people have died from it, according to the CDC themselves? I am talking specifically about people who already have been infected with the virus and have survived.

steveywevy 5y ago
Source?
- fridif 5y ago
  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad... "7,653 reports of death" is the string to ctrl-f for
  - BHSPitMonkey 5y ago
    You should probably continue reading at least to the end of a paragraph if it's the basis of an argument you're making: "FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem." This is essentially an unrestricted database containing raw reports. Nothing is done to eliminate or control for the entries where the cause of death is unrelated to the vaccine, and the data isn't a replacement for a controlled study. Deaths that can actually be attributed to reactions to the vaccine are so far much lower than that figure (and even if they weren't, millions of people have been vaccinated; COVID-19 is significantly more likely to kill you or leave you with long-term health problems).
    - fridif 5y ago
      You should probably continue the rest of the page I linked in which over 1,000 events of serious heart conditions occurred in patients. Notice I originally said 4,000 deaths and not 7,000, since I was assuming a certain number of them were not directly vaccine related. Could you explain to me your opinion on all of the children who are going to the emergency room with heart conditions a few days after vaccination?
kelnos 5y ago
4000 people out of the ~210M people in the US with at least one shot is 0.002%. You have a greater chance of both contracting and dying of COVID. Hell, I think you have a greater chance of drowning in your bathtub. Ok, though, let's talk about people who already had COVID. Did they actually have COVID, as in, did they test positive, or did they just feel really sick and think they had it? Have they had recent antibody tests? Did those tests show that they have antibody levels that would give them protection (including against delta) comparable to a vaccine? Have they consulted a medical professional about this? If it's "yes" to those questions, great, probably no need to get vaccinated. I have no problem with that. But the "I got sick so I'm immmune" stuff I hear constantly sounds more like a hope than something the people who say it have actually researched and been tested for.
- fridif 5y ago
  Well, considering the CDC is recommending booster shots, it seems that antibodies aren't forever, whether from a vaccine or from a natural infection. Only 3,000 people between the ages of 19-29 have died from Covid-19 in USA, which is the age group I happen to be in.

by fridif 5y ago

steveywevy 5y ago

Source?

fridif 5y ago
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/ad... "7,653 reports of death" is the string to ctrl-f for
- BHSPitMonkey 5y ago
  You should probably continue reading at least to the end of a paragraph if it's the basis of an argument you're making: "FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem." This is essentially an unrestricted database containing raw reports. Nothing is done to eliminate or control for the entries where the cause of death is unrelated to the vaccine, and the data isn't a replacement for a controlled study. Deaths that can actually be attributed to reactions to the vaccine are so far much lower than that figure (and even if they weren't, millions of people have been vaccinated; COVID-19 is significantly more likely to kill you or leave you with long-term health problems).
  - fridif 5y ago
    You should probably continue the rest of the page I linked in which over 1,000 events of serious heart conditions occurred in patients. Notice I originally said 4,000 deaths and not 7,000, since I was assuming a certain number of them were not directly vaccine related. Could you explain to me your opinion on all of the children who are going to the emergency room with heart conditions a few days after vaccination?

kelnos 5y ago

4000 people out of the ~210M people in the US with at least one shot is 0.002%. You have a greater chance of both contracting and dying of COVID. Hell, I think you have a greater chance of drowning in your bathtub. Ok, though, let's talk about people who already had COVID. Did they actually have COVID, as in, did they test positive, or did they just feel really sick and think they had it? Have they had recent antibody tests? Did those tests show that they have antibody levels that would give them protection (including against delta) comparable to a vaccine? Have they consulted a medical professional about this? If it's "yes" to those questions, great, probably no need to get vaccinated. I have no problem with that. But the "I got sick so I'm immmune" stuff I hear constantly sounds more like a hope than something the people who say it have actually researched and been tested for.

fridif 5y ago
Well, considering the CDC is recommending booster shots, it seems that antibodies aren't forever, whether from a vaccine or from a natural infection. Only 3,000 people between the ages of 19-29 have died from Covid-19 in USA, which is the age group I happen to be in.