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> China still has the official plan to introduce socialism by 2050 Where did you get this? Socialism is installed in China in 1960s, as we were told in text b

> China still has the official plan to introduce socialism by 2050 Where did you get this? Socialism is installed in China in 1960s, as we were told in text book. If there was such a plan to start socialism in China in 2050, that must be invented after 2008 after I left China. As for what is really socialism, the definitions I see so far are as colorful as capitalism. You might be referring some definition of socialism you saw from Chinese source, or some translated sources? It's becoming more and more clear that China is more of a political imagination for venting, at least on HN.

bakuninsbart 5y ago
Indeed, translations change a lot, and phrasing also changed over time within China, but you are right to call me out on being imprecise. In german we usually differentiate between socialistic and socialist with the former being the movement working on becoming the second. Still, Marx was already talking about the difference between "lower" communism, socialist mode of production, and "final" communism, the communist society. Mao said China was in the initial stage of socialism, but didn't really explain what that meant. This was then built on by his successors.[1] This article goes into a bit of detail on the current plan, which is now to reach the final state of socialism by 2050.[2] This has been a key aspect of internal CPC ideology since the 70s, so I'm not sure what you consider "venting". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_stage_of_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_stage_of_socialism [2] https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-15-9833-3_4 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-15-9833-3_...
- justicezyx 5y ago
  I am not sure why do you want to keep pushing your idea. I was born in China. I searched around for 2050 and all it shows was reach socialism modernization. The key is modernization. Not socialism. Socialism as a social and economic order already reached it's height before 1980s...

bakuninsbart 5y ago

Indeed, translations change a lot, and phrasing also changed over time within China, but you are right to call me out on being imprecise. In german we usually differentiate between socialistic and socialist with the former being the movement working on becoming the second. Still, Marx was already talking about the difference between "lower" communism, socialist mode of production, and "final" communism, the communist society. Mao said China was in the initial stage of socialism, but didn't really explain what that meant. This was then built on by his successors.[1] This article goes into a bit of detail on the current plan, which is now to reach the final state of socialism by 2050.[2] This has been a key aspect of internal CPC ideology since the 70s, so I'm not sure what you consider "venting". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_stage_of_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_stage_of_socialism [2] https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-15-9833-3_4 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-15-9833-3_...

justicezyx 5y ago
I am not sure why do you want to keep pushing your idea. I was born in China. I searched around for 2050 and all it shows was reach socialism modernization. The key is modernization. Not socialism. Socialism as a social and economic order already reached it's height before 1980s...