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That suggests that lockdowns and vaccination together work better than vaccination alone, which is not particularly surprising. It seems, though, like you're su
by apendleton 5y ago
That suggests that lockdowns and vaccination together work better than vaccination alone, which is not particularly surprising. It seems, though, like you're suggesting that that means the vaccinations did nothing, which doesn't follow. It might well be that the case counts would have been twice as high if nobody had been vaccinated (or, who knows, ten times), and maybe some percentage of those additionally infected people would have died, or suffered long-term health outcomes. There's no way to know what the appropriate counterfactual is from this data alone.
- swader999 5y agoObviously lockdowns decrease transmission. But they make fragile immune systems. There's 200 other respiratory virus out there that we need constant exposure to or our immunity to them wanes. Then you get NZ which right now is overrunning their hospitals with children inflicted with severe RSV which never really happened in the pre-lockdown world. And I agree vaccination even with this leaky vaccine is appropriate for vulnerable groups bit it creates a shit storm of hurt down the road when you apply it to an entire population and in the context of an easily mutating virus. See the chicken story: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-m... Applying it to a hard to mutate virus and the entire population makes total sense - see polio!