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> The lack of systems thinking We managed to make factories safe but kill 1.3 M people/year in traffic instead [1] I wonder: will we ever manage to apply syst

by donjoe 5y ago

> The lack of systems thinking We managed to make factories safe but kill 1.3 M people/year in traffic instead [1] I wonder: will we ever manage to apply systems thinking in traffic as well? [1] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffic-injuries https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffi...

trangus_1985 5y ago
One start would be to disable smartphones from operating when linked to a car system, massively increase enforcement of smartphone use while driving, and increase penalties. None of that would be popular, but it would be effective.
- hhhhdnxndn 5y ago
  Let police agencies access cell phone location history and fine anyone moving above the speed limit on a road. Force cell phones to stop working when velocity is above 5 mph.
  - repiret 5y ago
    Not all cell phones being used in cars are used by drivers. I wouldn’t want my cell phone disabled in an Uber, or to get a ticket because my uber driver was speeding.
    - perl4ever 5y ago
      But Uber drivers are all using their cell phones for routing, are they not? So never mind your phone, how would their business even operate if no phones were allowed?
- perl4ever 5y ago
  That would create temporary disruption, but how would it have any long term benefit, once cars started having navigation as an option again?
  - trangus_1985 5y ago
    Navigation isn't the issue, it's people texting.
    - perl4ever 5y ago
      If navigation isn't the issue, why can't people use Android Auto/CarPlay? I don't think they allow texting.
      - trangus_1985 5y ago
        Ah, sorry, I guess my op wasnt clear, but that was my intent
bsder 5y ago
The key for workman's comp was no-fault--you pay for your own accidents. That had to be enshrined in law to work. Several US states HAD No-Fault insurance laws--ie your own insurance company pays for your own accidents. The insurance companies lobbied like crazy to get those removed. They're all gone now. If you got those No-Fault insurance laws back, the required systems thinking would ensue.
- TheCoelacanth 5y ago
  Wouldn't it be more analogous to if the state or the Department of Transportation paid for all accidents since they are the ones controlling the system? Insurance companies don't have any power to change road designs or traffic laws.
- tdeck 5y ago
  Pennsylvania at least has no-fault auto insurance.
  - bsder 5y ago
    It used to. The auto lobby got rid of it. Did it come back at some point?
    - tdeck 5y ago
      Google tells me it does; I checked before posting my original comment. Can you find anything that says otherwise?
      - bsder 5y ago
        PA is apparently kind of weird: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/pennsylvania-no-fault-car-insurance.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/pennsylvania-no-faul... Also, "No Fault" doesn't cover vehicle damage. Apparently, this is what I was remembering. It changed when I lived in Pennsylvania (that was quite a while ago).

by donjoe 5y ago

trangus_1985 5y ago

One start would be to disable smartphones from operating when linked to a car system, massively increase enforcement of smartphone use while driving, and increase penalties. None of that would be popular, but it would be effective.

hhhhdnxndn 5y ago
Let police agencies access cell phone location history and fine anyone moving above the speed limit on a road. Force cell phones to stop working when velocity is above 5 mph.
- repiret 5y ago
  Not all cell phones being used in cars are used by drivers. I wouldn’t want my cell phone disabled in an Uber, or to get a ticket because my uber driver was speeding.
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    But Uber drivers are all using their cell phones for routing, are they not? So never mind your phone, how would their business even operate if no phones were allowed?
perl4ever 5y ago
That would create temporary disruption, but how would it have any long term benefit, once cars started having navigation as an option again?
- trangus_1985 5y ago
  Navigation isn't the issue, it's people texting.
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    If navigation isn't the issue, why can't people use Android Auto/CarPlay? I don't think they allow texting.
    - trangus_1985 5y ago
      Ah, sorry, I guess my op wasnt clear, but that was my intent

bsder 5y ago

The key for workman's comp was no-fault--you pay for your own accidents. That had to be enshrined in law to work. Several US states HAD No-Fault insurance laws--ie your own insurance company pays for your own accidents. The insurance companies lobbied like crazy to get those removed. They're all gone now. If you got those No-Fault insurance laws back, the required systems thinking would ensue.

TheCoelacanth 5y ago
Wouldn't it be more analogous to if the state or the Department of Transportation paid for all accidents since they are the ones controlling the system? Insurance companies don't have any power to change road designs or traffic laws.
tdeck 5y ago
Pennsylvania at least has no-fault auto insurance.
- bsder 5y ago
  It used to. The auto lobby got rid of it. Did it come back at some point?
  - tdeck 5y ago
    Google tells me it does; I checked before posting my original comment. Can you find anything that says otherwise?
    - bsder 5y ago
      PA is apparently kind of weird: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/pennsylvania-no-fault-car-insurance.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/pennsylvania-no-faul... Also, "No Fault" doesn't cover vehicle damage. Apparently, this is what I was remembering. It changed when I lived in Pennsylvania (that was quite a while ago).