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I mean for someone with natural immunity to get the vaccine is not going to reduce their immunity, and might boost it (or might not). So with fairly little down

I mean for someone with natural immunity to get the vaccine is not going to reduce their immunity, and might boost it (or might not). So with fairly little downside, it makes sense to vaccinate them surely?

toxik 5y ago
I still think everybody should be vaccinated as far as it is possible, BUT it seems that what you said might not be true. The second vaccine dose can make your natural type immunity weaker.
- EamonnMR 5y ago
  That would be very surprising if true.
- borkyborkbork 5y ago
  That is a statement that really needs some backup.
bitcurious 5y ago
The downside is that if you already have a strong immune response you will have a much harsher reaction to the vaccine, basically four days out of commission. A reaction that’s rather comparable to breakthrough COVID.
- SigmundA 5y ago
  Definitely need some citation on that please.
  - bitcurious 5y ago
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/af... >Side effects can affect your ability to do daily activities, but they should go away in a few days. > Common side effects: [Tiredness, Headache, Muscle pain, Chills, Fever, Nausea] >Side effects after your second shot may be more intense than the ones you experienced after your first shot. These side effects are normal signs that your body is building protection and should go away within a few days. I don't have a specific study for prior immunity vs. second shot, but neither COVID nor the vaccine are magic - both behave in a more or less standard manner. I've seen references to studies though: >Dr. Erin Morcomb, a family medicine physician at the Mayo Clinic Health System in La Crosse, Wis., and head of its COVID-19 vaccination team, confirms that the reactions can vary based on your health history. "What we've seen in studies is that the second dose does tend to have a little bit more potential to cause side effects than the first dose, but for people who have had COVID-19 infection previously and then recovered, they are at higher risk of having those same side effects after their first dose," she says. from https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/strong-reaction-to-first-covid-19-vaccine-may-signal-previous-infection-experts-say/ar-BB1eJstT https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/strong-reaction-to-...
- bsder 5y ago
  I had Covid Original Flavor(tm). My case was considered "mild"--I "only" had a 103 fever for 2 1/2 weeks and my stamina was shot. I also got vaccinated later. I had about a 24 hour reaction each time. I wanted to make sure my body latched onto the spike protein. Immune systems latch onto all manner of things--sometimes relevant, sometimes not relevant, sometimes actively harmful. This is an important point. Your body's reaction to natural Covid is far more unpredictable than to the vaccine. That may give you a more robust immune response--or that may give you something related to an autoimmune disorder. As a comparison, I had a much worse reaction to Shingrix (the shingles vaccine) which hit me hard for about 4 days and I could barely move the arm that got the shot. Your mileage may vary.
ridiculous_fish 5y ago
The same Israeli study found that among previously infected people, those who received a single dose of the vaccine were half as likely to be reinfected, compared to those who received zero doses.
mattparcens 5y ago
One might argue that there is also fairly little downside to not getting the vaccination. And without some hard numbers comparing the two fairly little downsides we shouldn't attempt to compel people's behavior either way.
foolinaround 5y ago
They would face all the potential side-effects of the vaccine without much of an upside... How does it make sense then for them to vaccinate?

toxik 5y ago

I still think everybody should be vaccinated as far as it is possible, BUT it seems that what you said might not be true. The second vaccine dose can make your natural type immunity weaker.

EamonnMR 5y ago
That would be very surprising if true.
borkyborkbork 5y ago
That is a statement that really needs some backup.

bitcurious 5y ago

The downside is that if you already have a strong immune response you will have a much harsher reaction to the vaccine, basically four days out of commission. A reaction that’s rather comparable to breakthrough COVID.

SigmundA 5y ago
Definitely need some citation on that please.
- bitcurious 5y ago
  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/af... >Side effects can affect your ability to do daily activities, but they should go away in a few days. > Common side effects: [Tiredness, Headache, Muscle pain, Chills, Fever, Nausea] >Side effects after your second shot may be more intense than the ones you experienced after your first shot. These side effects are normal signs that your body is building protection and should go away within a few days. I don't have a specific study for prior immunity vs. second shot, but neither COVID nor the vaccine are magic - both behave in a more or less standard manner. I've seen references to studies though: >Dr. Erin Morcomb, a family medicine physician at the Mayo Clinic Health System in La Crosse, Wis., and head of its COVID-19 vaccination team, confirms that the reactions can vary based on your health history. "What we've seen in studies is that the second dose does tend to have a little bit more potential to cause side effects than the first dose, but for people who have had COVID-19 infection previously and then recovered, they are at higher risk of having those same side effects after their first dose," she says. from https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/strong-reaction-to-first-covid-19-vaccine-may-signal-previous-infection-experts-say/ar-BB1eJstT https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/strong-reaction-to-...
bsder 5y ago
I had Covid Original Flavor(tm). My case was considered "mild"--I "only" had a 103 fever for 2 1/2 weeks and my stamina was shot. I also got vaccinated later. I had about a 24 hour reaction each time. I wanted to make sure my body latched onto the spike protein. Immune systems latch onto all manner of things--sometimes relevant, sometimes not relevant, sometimes actively harmful. This is an important point. Your body's reaction to natural Covid is far more unpredictable than to the vaccine. That may give you a more robust immune response--or that may give you something related to an autoimmune disorder. As a comparison, I had a much worse reaction to Shingrix (the shingles vaccine) which hit me hard for about 4 days and I could barely move the arm that got the shot. Your mileage may vary.

ridiculous_fish 5y ago

The same Israeli study found that among previously infected people, those who received a single dose of the vaccine were half as likely to be reinfected, compared to those who received zero doses.

mattparcens 5y ago

One might argue that there is also fairly little downside to not getting the vaccination. And without some hard numbers comparing the two fairly little downsides we shouldn't attempt to compel people's behavior either way.

foolinaround 5y ago

They would face all the potential side-effects of the vaccine without much of an upside... How does it make sense then for them to vaccinate?