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> nothing needs regulation This is a hyperbolic statement. Even if you are just talking about internet regulation. Let's imagine for a moment that someone inv

> nothing needs regulation This is a hyperbolic statement. Even if you are just talking about internet regulation. Let's imagine for a moment that someone invented a hypnosis algorithm and hosted it on a website. Anyone going to this website went into spasms and died in front of their screen. Would we seek protection for our children and for the general public from such a website from internet browser companies, ISPs and the government? Yes we would. This is an extreme example but it illustrates a point. You can say the same thing about websites that prey on children, or the elderly. I'm not advocating for the banning of pornography altogether. I am making the simple proposition that it be better regulated. People who distribute porn know full well that their content is seen by minors. Having a child check a box that says that they are over 18 is not good enough. If I hadn't seen porn as a minor, I might have had a better chance of avoiding the extremely negative impacts that it can carry with it. Don't believe me? Visit a support page like r/NoFap and read the hundreds of thousands of stories there. I'm not going to touch any of the other subjects you raised because I'm not arguing for any of the things you listed.

lizkm 5y ago
Pornography does not cause you to go into spasms and die though. You being unable to control yourself does not justify undue restrictions on other people. The internet should not be ceded to nanny staters and morality police.
- atonalfreerider 5y ago
  > Pornography does not cause you to go into spasms and die though. I didn't say it did. > You being unable to control yourself does not justify undue restrictions on other people. I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking about minors. Protecting children from products that require an adult brain to ascertain harm is a positive function of government. > The internet should not be ceded to nanny staters and morality police. This is not about morality. Please don't read intentions where there are none.
  - voidnullnil 5y ago
    Please tell us a concrete plan on how to "protect children" (a moral appeal) from porn. Name one set of rules that would satisfy your legal appetite.
    - atonalfreerider 5y ago
      I don't know why you keep insisting that this is a moral appeal. This is public health. 1 - mandate disclaimers in front of all videos describing the possible negative effects of porn (there are concrete, well-studied effects). cigarettes and tobacco have the same mandates and they do have an overall positive effect on educating the public 2 - hold video hosting sites liable if content is shown to minors. there is a reason why a bar can get closed down or a gas station attendee can lose his or her job if alcohol and tobacco is served to minors. the same rules need to apply for sexually explicit material that is turbocharged to reach children
      - voidnullnil 5y ago
        > 1 - mandate disclaimers in front of all videos describing the possible negative effects of porn Why would you think this will work? My parents, school, etc already gave you a million false warnings about porn and yet I looked at it. Did that even work for smoking? I think smoking only stopped once vape replaced it. Now I have to skip the intro logo as well as some stupid disclaimer, and producers have to waste more of their time on legal checkboxes, great. > 2 - hold video hosting sites liable if content is shown to minors. That's not a concrete plan. Do we need photo ID here? Some experimental crypto to disclose your government certified age to the website so it can decide not to kick you off? What about a forum where anyone can post any image? Does the forum have to be legally liable to block minors if it has no rule against porn? The internet worked perfect in 2000. I got my porn when I was 13 and had no problem. There was not a single complaint aside from corporate scum trying to enforce DMCA crap (the multi billion dollar company was complaining, nobody else). Only when all you American idiots came in 2010 from faceberg all these pretend social problems started existing. The internet is literally just data transmission and this act could not be more harmless if you wanted it to be. Quite literally, the internet is the most harmless technology in existence. It cannot give you any disease, etc. It costs nothing, etc. What we are seeing here is the American art of being a professional victim. One should start by observing that almost every single complaint about the internet starts with "I read some text and now I am offended". I envision the internet as community run, and free. The current internet is all obsolete garbage. The problem is, on this new internet we wont actually be able to make it because everything will be illegal by then. It will be illegal to run point to point to your neighbour because of some stupid porno law that has absolutely nothing to do with your application.
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voidnullnil 5y ago
Look pal, the internet is a tool for exchanging information. Just like the air is a medium for talking in real life. Any sort of legislation like "oh no, you need a XCORP(R) CERTIFIED CHECKBOX(TM)" is just getting in the way and forcing us to use some moron's garbage tech, much like a website requiring SMS pins to log in. When I was 13 and got porn it was by p2p programs. I sure as hell don't want to go back in time and have them already banned and gimped in 2000. > This is a hyperbolic statement. Even if you are just talking about internet regulation. It was intended hyperbole, but it's also mostly right. Rules are for fools. > This is an extreme example but it illustrates a point. An extreme imaginary example is needed because the internet is harmless. > You can say the same thing about websites that prey on children, or the elderly. There's no such thing. That is an American myth. They are a bunch of muppets who tell stories to each other about how a new type of monster ate their cookies. I'm not even exaggerating. It's an American passtime to think up new "injustices" to be solved. I watch porn too, staring at 13, and never had a problem because I've always been healthy in general. Sex feels good even alone. It's not likely to cause physical health problems any more than any other physical activity. All those people on NoFap are losers coping by blaming their problems on some specific thing. Society is full of losers, it's not hard to find thousands of them to go on a dedicated forum to circlejerk each other. > I'm not going to touch any of the other subjects you raised because I'm not arguing for any of the things you listed. It was targeted toward HN in general anyway. I'm really sick of this place full of corporate drones trying to appeal to "the people".
atonalfreerider 5y ago
And just like that: Lawmakers Ask Zuckerberg to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' After Report Says App Made Kids Suicidal https://gizmodo.com/lawmakers-ask-zuckerberg-to-drop-instagram-for-kids-aft-1847683217 https://gizmodo.com/lawmakers-ask-zuckerberg-to-drop-instagr...
- voidnullnil 5y ago
  >people are killing themselves because of instagram Literally every social issue on the web for the last 20 years follows this one simple formula: > X causes Y. Yes it sounds stupid, but read this long winded reasoning or spend the next 70 hours of your life going down my trail of studies to back this up And nobody actually invests their lives in rebuking them, and they get bored and stop talking about it 5 years later.

lizkm 5y ago

Pornography does not cause you to go into spasms and die though. You being unable to control yourself does not justify undue restrictions on other people. The internet should not be ceded to nanny staters and morality police.

atonalfreerider 5y ago
> Pornography does not cause you to go into spasms and die though. I didn't say it did. > You being unable to control yourself does not justify undue restrictions on other people. I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking about minors. Protecting children from products that require an adult brain to ascertain harm is a positive function of government. > The internet should not be ceded to nanny staters and morality police. This is not about morality. Please don't read intentions where there are none.
- voidnullnil 5y ago
  Please tell us a concrete plan on how to "protect children" (a moral appeal) from porn. Name one set of rules that would satisfy your legal appetite.
  - atonalfreerider 5y ago
    I don't know why you keep insisting that this is a moral appeal. This is public health. 1 - mandate disclaimers in front of all videos describing the possible negative effects of porn (there are concrete, well-studied effects). cigarettes and tobacco have the same mandates and they do have an overall positive effect on educating the public 2 - hold video hosting sites liable if content is shown to minors. there is a reason why a bar can get closed down or a gas station attendee can lose his or her job if alcohol and tobacco is served to minors. the same rules need to apply for sexually explicit material that is turbocharged to reach children
    - voidnullnil 5y ago
      > 1 - mandate disclaimers in front of all videos describing the possible negative effects of porn Why would you think this will work? My parents, school, etc already gave you a million false warnings about porn and yet I looked at it. Did that even work for smoking? I think smoking only stopped once vape replaced it. Now I have to skip the intro logo as well as some stupid disclaimer, and producers have to waste more of their time on legal checkboxes, great. > 2 - hold video hosting sites liable if content is shown to minors. That's not a concrete plan. Do we need photo ID here? Some experimental crypto to disclose your government certified age to the website so it can decide not to kick you off? What about a forum where anyone can post any image? Does the forum have to be legally liable to block minors if it has no rule against porn? The internet worked perfect in 2000. I got my porn when I was 13 and had no problem. There was not a single complaint aside from corporate scum trying to enforce DMCA crap (the multi billion dollar company was complaining, nobody else). Only when all you American idiots came in 2010 from faceberg all these pretend social problems started existing. The internet is literally just data transmission and this act could not be more harmless if you wanted it to be. Quite literally, the internet is the most harmless technology in existence. It cannot give you any disease, etc. It costs nothing, etc. What we are seeing here is the American art of being a professional victim. One should start by observing that almost every single complaint about the internet starts with "I read some text and now I am offended". I envision the internet as community run, and free. The current internet is all obsolete garbage. The problem is, on this new internet we wont actually be able to make it because everything will be illegal by then. It will be illegal to run point to point to your neighbour because of some stupid porno law that has absolutely nothing to do with your application.

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voidnullnil 5y ago

Look pal, the internet is a tool for exchanging information. Just like the air is a medium for talking in real life. Any sort of legislation like "oh no, you need a XCORP(R) CERTIFIED CHECKBOX(TM)" is just getting in the way and forcing us to use some moron's garbage tech, much like a website requiring SMS pins to log in. When I was 13 and got porn it was by p2p programs. I sure as hell don't want to go back in time and have them already banned and gimped in 2000. > This is a hyperbolic statement. Even if you are just talking about internet regulation. It was intended hyperbole, but it's also mostly right. Rules are for fools. > This is an extreme example but it illustrates a point. An extreme imaginary example is needed because the internet is harmless. > You can say the same thing about websites that prey on children, or the elderly. There's no such thing. That is an American myth. They are a bunch of muppets who tell stories to each other about how a new type of monster ate their cookies. I'm not even exaggerating. It's an American passtime to think up new "injustices" to be solved. I watch porn too, staring at 13, and never had a problem because I've always been healthy in general. Sex feels good even alone. It's not likely to cause physical health problems any more than any other physical activity. All those people on NoFap are losers coping by blaming their problems on some specific thing. Society is full of losers, it's not hard to find thousands of them to go on a dedicated forum to circlejerk each other. > I'm not going to touch any of the other subjects you raised because I'm not arguing for any of the things you listed. It was targeted toward HN in general anyway. I'm really sick of this place full of corporate drones trying to appeal to "the people".

atonalfreerider 5y ago

And just like that: Lawmakers Ask Zuckerberg to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' After Report Says App Made Kids Suicidal https://gizmodo.com/lawmakers-ask-zuckerberg-to-drop-instagram-for-kids-aft-1847683217 https://gizmodo.com/lawmakers-ask-zuckerberg-to-drop-instagr...

voidnullnil 5y ago
>people are killing themselves because of instagram Literally every social issue on the web for the last 20 years follows this one simple formula: > X causes Y. Yes it sounds stupid, but read this long winded reasoning or spend the next 70 hours of your life going down my trail of studies to back this up And nobody actually invests their lives in rebuking them, and they get bored and stop talking about it 5 years later.