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Let’s wait until Apple actual starts device scanning before condemning them for it? Apple were up front with their plans and after hearing the public outcry the

Let’s wait until Apple actual starts device scanning before condemning them for it? Apple were up front with their plans and after hearing the public outcry they canceled their rollout. Other companies would have just rolled out the change without disclosure and called it a day.

smoldesu 5y ago
Apple already did roll out changes like this, without disclosure. They've been scanning your Emails like this without your knowledge for years, if it makes you feel any better. On top of that, people aren't mad about cloud scanning: that's obviously nothing new. Wasting my CPU resources to do it though? It just further perpetuates this feeling that I don't actually own any of my Apple devices, but rather renting them from a company that seeks collection at every corner. As a developer, I was already appalled. Now that they're starting to cut corners at the expense of the consumer, it's only a matter of time before the veneer chips away and we all realize that Apple is Yet Another Big Tech Company Trying To Be Different (YABTCTTBD).
- kjreact 5y ago
  Re: scanning email, I did not see any articles that specifically said that Apple was scanning mail on-device. Can you point me to an article that states this fact clearly? As you say, scanning on the cloud isn’t really an issue since everyone is doing that anyways. But as a developer you should know email is inherently not a secure method of communication thus you should not expect any privacy when using it. Email is analogous to sending a postcard through the mail system.
post_break 5y ago
Lets be crystal clear, Apple cancelled nothing. They only postponed. And every time they were challenged they double and tripled downed that we the customers were just confused. They are moving forward with this.
- kjreact 5y ago
  Ok, let’s use your terminology and say they are postponing the rollout. You speak as though they’ve already rolled it out. It could also be an indefinite postponement. Yet you insist on painting the narrative as if it already occurred. Guilty until proven innocent. I’ll be right there next to you protesting my right to privacy if they do rollout the feature against our wishes, but until then I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. Also you mention every time Apple is challenged they contend that customers were confused what instances are you referring to?
  - post_break 5y ago
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-executive-defends-tools-to-fight-child-porn-acknowledges-privacy-backlash-11628859600 https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-executive-defends-tools-t... https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx5yzq/apple-defends-its-anti-child-abuse-imagery-tech-after-claims-of-hash-collisions https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx5yzq/apple-defends-its-ant... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/apple-says-it-will-refuse-govt-demands-to-expand-photo-scanning-beyond-csam/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/apple-says-it-wi... I mean I could go on but benefit of the doubt is gone after seeing Craig defend them so adamantly. Why would Apple go to all this trouble, get some push back, and just throw their hands up and say you're right, we're not going to search for CSAM, sorry!
    - kjreact 5y ago
      All the articles that you linked came prior to when Apple officially postponed the rollout. Doesn’t Apple have the right to explain and defend their position? Even though they tried defending their view adamantly they still ultimately didn’t go through with it. So why should I doubt their intentions? IMO, I believe Apple was trying to offload CSAM scanning to devices to save some server-side processing costs. It was an example of Apple being stingy and penny pinching instead of anything nefarious.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        That's an awfully generous viewpoint to take. One might imagine that the world's largest, highest valued company would find a more elegant solution than turning my phone into a portion of their botnet.

smoldesu 5y ago

Apple already did roll out changes like this, without disclosure. They've been scanning your Emails like this without your knowledge for years, if it makes you feel any better. On top of that, people aren't mad about cloud scanning: that's obviously nothing new. Wasting my CPU resources to do it though? It just further perpetuates this feeling that I don't actually own any of my Apple devices, but rather renting them from a company that seeks collection at every corner. As a developer, I was already appalled. Now that they're starting to cut corners at the expense of the consumer, it's only a matter of time before the veneer chips away and we all realize that Apple is Yet Another Big Tech Company Trying To Be Different (YABTCTTBD).

kjreact 5y ago
Re: scanning email, I did not see any articles that specifically said that Apple was scanning mail on-device. Can you point me to an article that states this fact clearly? As you say, scanning on the cloud isn’t really an issue since everyone is doing that anyways. But as a developer you should know email is inherently not a secure method of communication thus you should not expect any privacy when using it. Email is analogous to sending a postcard through the mail system.

post_break 5y ago

Lets be crystal clear, Apple cancelled nothing. They only postponed. And every time they were challenged they double and tripled downed that we the customers were just confused. They are moving forward with this.

kjreact 5y ago
Ok, let’s use your terminology and say they are postponing the rollout. You speak as though they’ve already rolled it out. It could also be an indefinite postponement. Yet you insist on painting the narrative as if it already occurred. Guilty until proven innocent. I’ll be right there next to you protesting my right to privacy if they do rollout the feature against our wishes, but until then I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. Also you mention every time Apple is challenged they contend that customers were confused what instances are you referring to?
- post_break 5y ago
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-executive-defends-tools-to-fight-child-porn-acknowledges-privacy-backlash-11628859600 https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-executive-defends-tools-t... https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx5yzq/apple-defends-its-anti-child-abuse-imagery-tech-after-claims-of-hash-collisions https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx5yzq/apple-defends-its-ant... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/apple-says-it-will-refuse-govt-demands-to-expand-photo-scanning-beyond-csam/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/apple-says-it-wi... I mean I could go on but benefit of the doubt is gone after seeing Craig defend them so adamantly. Why would Apple go to all this trouble, get some push back, and just throw their hands up and say you're right, we're not going to search for CSAM, sorry!
  - kjreact 5y ago
    All the articles that you linked came prior to when Apple officially postponed the rollout. Doesn’t Apple have the right to explain and defend their position? Even though they tried defending their view adamantly they still ultimately didn’t go through with it. So why should I doubt their intentions? IMO, I believe Apple was trying to offload CSAM scanning to devices to save some server-side processing costs. It was an example of Apple being stingy and penny pinching instead of anything nefarious.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      That's an awfully generous viewpoint to take. One might imagine that the world's largest, highest valued company would find a more elegant solution than turning my phone into a portion of their botnet.