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Especially weird (though understandable) because it's basically "Doesn't scan your device and send the information to a corporation and the government" when And

Especially weird (though understandable) because it's basically "Doesn't scan your device and send the information to a corporation and the government" when Android basically does that everywhere, all the time. But Android does it for profit, Apple does it "for the children."

lrae 5y ago
Would you be down to write a blog post about how a "degoogled phone" still scans your data and sends it to Google? Let's say a Pixel 5 with CalyxOS? I didn't know thats the case. Tbh, I'd even love to see a current blog post on how much and what data a "semi-degoogled" random OEM phone with the shipped Android sends. Or maybe there is one that I don't know of, would love to see it.
- tmccrary55 5y ago
  You're the only one talking about a "degoogled phone."
  - lrae 5y ago
    No? Also, you're the one talking about "Android". Is CalyxOS no android? Or GrapheneOS? But I guess that answers my question. Probably not much scanning going on.
  - n8cpdx 5y ago
    It just seems really weird to assume that switching to Android involves switching to Google services. There were weeks of threads with people discussing which version of Android (Calyx vs graphene, etc) they were going to switch to.
    - tmccrary55 5y ago
      Yeah... walk into a grocery store and ask all of the people using Android if they're using Calyx or graphene.
      - n8cpdx 5y ago
        *all of the people who switched to Android _in protest of Apple's new CSAM system_
        tmccrary55 5y ago
        ???? Only on the orange site
fulafel 5y ago
Citation needed for Android doing this?
- techrat 5y ago
  Funny how they always stop responding at this point. "I don't like what Apple is doing." Then out of nowhere and off topic: "GOOGS IS WORSE!" It's purely Pavlovian to them by now.
- bobbles 5y ago
  https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/10330933?hl=en#zippy=%2Chow-does-google-identify-csam-on-its-platform https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/1033093... We invest heavily in fighting child sexual exploitation online and use technology to deter, detect, and remove CSAM from our platforms. This includes automated detection and human review, in addition to relying on reports submitted by our users and third parties such as NGOs, to detect, remove, and report CSAM on our platforms. We deploy hash matching, including YouTube’s CSAI Match, to detect known CSAM. We also deploy machine learning classifiers to discover never-before-seen CSAM, which is then confirmed by our specialist review teams. Using our classifiers, Google created the Content Safety API, which we provide to others to help them prioritize abuse content for human review.
  - tmccrary55 5y ago
    This.
  - fulafel 5y ago
    But no on-device fuzzy hash scanning and swat-ing on Android afaik - the above quote enumerates cloud services.

lrae 5y ago

Would you be down to write a blog post about how a "degoogled phone" still scans your data and sends it to Google? Let's say a Pixel 5 with CalyxOS? I didn't know thats the case. Tbh, I'd even love to see a current blog post on how much and what data a "semi-degoogled" random OEM phone with the shipped Android sends. Or maybe there is one that I don't know of, would love to see it.

tmccrary55 5y ago
You're the only one talking about a "degoogled phone."
- lrae 5y ago
  No? Also, you're the one talking about "Android". Is CalyxOS no android? Or GrapheneOS? But I guess that answers my question. Probably not much scanning going on.
- n8cpdx 5y ago
  It just seems really weird to assume that switching to Android involves switching to Google services. There were weeks of threads with people discussing which version of Android (Calyx vs graphene, etc) they were going to switch to.
  - tmccrary55 5y ago
    Yeah... walk into a grocery store and ask all of the people using Android if they're using Calyx or graphene.
    - n8cpdx 5y ago
      *all of the people who switched to Android _in protest of Apple's new CSAM system_
      - tmccrary55 5y ago
        ???? Only on the orange site

fulafel 5y ago

Citation needed for Android doing this?

techrat 5y ago
Funny how they always stop responding at this point. "I don't like what Apple is doing." Then out of nowhere and off topic: "GOOGS IS WORSE!" It's purely Pavlovian to them by now.
bobbles 5y ago
https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/10330933?hl=en#zippy=%2Chow-does-google-identify-csam-on-its-platform https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/1033093... We invest heavily in fighting child sexual exploitation online and use technology to deter, detect, and remove CSAM from our platforms. This includes automated detection and human review, in addition to relying on reports submitted by our users and third parties such as NGOs, to detect, remove, and report CSAM on our platforms. We deploy hash matching, including YouTube’s CSAI Match, to detect known CSAM. We also deploy machine learning classifiers to discover never-before-seen CSAM, which is then confirmed by our specialist review teams. Using our classifiers, Google created the Content Safety API, which we provide to others to help them prioritize abuse content for human review.
- tmccrary55 5y ago
  This.
- fulafel 5y ago
  But no on-device fuzzy hash scanning and swat-ing on Android afaik - the above quote enumerates cloud services.