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I will say, having USB C on my iPad is very nice. Now if only they would do it for the iPhone. After the CSAM stuff hit I switched back to Android and it's so n

I will say, having USB C on my iPad is very nice. Now if only they would do it for the iPhone. After the CSAM stuff hit I switched back to Android and it's so nice to only need one cable for everything.

pwthornton 5y ago
Quite an awkward endorsement for Android!
- tmccrary55 5y ago
  Especially weird (though understandable) because it's basically "Doesn't scan your device and send the information to a corporation and the government" when Android basically does that everywhere, all the time. But Android does it for profit, Apple does it "for the children."
  - lrae 5y ago
    Would you be down to write a blog post about how a "degoogled phone" still scans your data and sends it to Google? Let's say a Pixel 5 with CalyxOS? I didn't know thats the case. Tbh, I'd even love to see a current blog post on how much and what data a "semi-degoogled" random OEM phone with the shipped Android sends. Or maybe there is one that I don't know of, would love to see it.
    - tmccrary55 5y ago
      You're the only one talking about a "degoogled phone."
      - lrae 5y ago
        No? Also, you're the one talking about "Android". Is CalyxOS no android? Or GrapheneOS? But I guess that answers my question. Probably not much scanning going on.
      - n8cpdx 5y ago
        It just seems really weird to assume that switching to Android involves switching to Google services. There were weeks of threads with people discussing which version of Android (Calyx vs graphene, etc) they were going to switch to.
        tmccrary55 5y ago
        Yeah... walk into a grocery store and ask all of the people using Android if they're using Calyx or graphene.
        n8cpdx 5y ago
        *all of the people who switched to Android _in protest of Apple's new CSAM system_
        tmccrary55 5y ago
        ???? Only on the orange site
  - fulafel 5y ago
    Citation needed for Android doing this?
    - techrat 5y ago
      Funny how they always stop responding at this point. "I don't like what Apple is doing." Then out of nowhere and off topic: "GOOGS IS WORSE!" It's purely Pavlovian to them by now.
    - bobbles 5y ago
      https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/10330933?hl=en#zippy=%2Chow-does-google-identify-csam-on-its-platform https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/1033093... We invest heavily in fighting child sexual exploitation online and use technology to deter, detect, and remove CSAM from our platforms. This includes automated detection and human review, in addition to relying on reports submitted by our users and third parties such as NGOs, to detect, remove, and report CSAM on our platforms. We deploy hash matching, including YouTube’s CSAI Match, to detect known CSAM. We also deploy machine learning classifiers to discover never-before-seen CSAM, which is then confirmed by our specialist review teams. Using our classifiers, Google created the Content Safety API, which we provide to others to help them prioritize abuse content for human review.
      - tmccrary55 5y ago
        This.
      - fulafel 5y ago
        But no on-device fuzzy hash scanning and swat-ing on Android afaik - the above quote enumerates cloud services.
tmccrary55 5y ago
USB-C is a requirement on any device I buy these days. The amount of annoyance at tracking down a micro-usb cable and plugging it in has surprised me more than I thought.
- monkeydust 5y ago
  100% this. It's now must have for any new tech for same reasons.
jmnicolas 5y ago
I'm not sure I follow your logic: Google is certainly less trustworthy than Apple if we're speaking about scanning your files. And before you think I'm partial, I have no dog in this fight: I degoogled myself since last year and I don't own any Apple devices. But if I had to choose between Google and Apple for my privacy I would go with Apple (without much illusions).
- post_break 5y ago
  Sometimes the alternative isn't much better, so instead of trying to punish myself and get a pixel, degoogle everything, etc. I voted with my wallet. Do I just keep my iPhone and let them get away with the CSAM on device scanning? I chose not to, even if the privacy is worse on android. Some may think that's ass backwards, but it was a solution for my beliefs.
  - runjake 5y ago
    It does seem ass backwards. Google scans your content for CSAM on their servers. And they scan your content for demographic and advertising data and god knows what else. I do not see your logic here. It appears to be an ill-decided knee-jerk reaction.
    - chippiewill 5y ago
      It's perplexing really. It's a bit like saying you don't like how the government spies on you, so you're moving to China.
    - cageface 5y ago
      The difference is Android gives you options. If you’re locked into iOS you’ve got no recourse if you disagree with Apple’s decisions.
      - top_sigrid 5y ago
        So what's the option of Google not scanning every content you have on their devices (I mean they even scan all your emails in Gmail)? With Apple's CSAM you have an actual option which is just to not use their iCloud photo sharing.
handrous 5y ago
Their still having two connectors is even more annoying than I thought it would be. We have lots of iDevices from several generations and even brand new ones—but only some of them, though, significantly, all the iPhones—are still shipping with lightning, years after they should have gone to USB-C. Given how long we're able to keep these things around and in use, that means we'll be dealing with stupid lightning cables and two different kinds of dongle through at least 2026, even if they switch all their new devices to USB-C today. That, in addition to the irritation & expense of USB-C itself.
- post_break 5y ago
  Not only do they have two connectors, they have two different Apple pencils too. Need to make sure you buy the right one.
  - handrous 5y ago
    Well, the first one was a mis-designed piece of crap, so I don't mind that as much, though keeping it in use on some newer models after v2 was released does suck. (source for assertion about them being crap: I own one—the bad part's entirely the terrible charging/connector design, but that part's nearly parody-levels of bad)
    - Tagbert 5y ago
      The pencil was intimately tied to the generation of iPad. The iPad had to have specific support for connecting to the corresponding generation of pencil. They could only enable the new pencil as they redesigned the iPads. They are now going through their iPad line and updating the designs which allows them to switch to the new pencil.
      - handrous 5y ago
        Yeah, I get the technical reason that as Pro chips shifted down-market to other iPads they couldn't add support for the new-model Pencil without significant (and unjustifiably expensive) changes, it's just unfortunate. They had a similar, valid excuse for using Lightning connectors on lower-end phones and iPads for a while, but that time would now be long past if they'd introduced them when they should have, yet even the last round of top-end iPhones still had the damn things. I'm at the point where nearly the only things I can't charge with one laptop USB-C charger, and use with a single set of USB-C dongles, are old iPads (understandable) and new iPhones (which is the real WTF). Current-gen game controllers, the Nintendo Switch itself, my (non-Apple) wireless headphones, my (non-Apple) mechanical wireless keyboard, MacBook Air, 4th-gen iPad Pro, all USB-C for power. My 12-series iPhone I hope to use for at least three more years, and maybe as many as five, barring some must-have tech breakthroughs or my damaging it badly? Goddamn lightning connector.

pwthornton 5y ago

Quite an awkward endorsement for Android!

tmccrary55 5y ago
Especially weird (though understandable) because it's basically "Doesn't scan your device and send the information to a corporation and the government" when Android basically does that everywhere, all the time. But Android does it for profit, Apple does it "for the children."
- lrae 5y ago
  Would you be down to write a blog post about how a "degoogled phone" still scans your data and sends it to Google? Let's say a Pixel 5 with CalyxOS? I didn't know thats the case. Tbh, I'd even love to see a current blog post on how much and what data a "semi-degoogled" random OEM phone with the shipped Android sends. Or maybe there is one that I don't know of, would love to see it.
  - tmccrary55 5y ago
    You're the only one talking about a "degoogled phone."
    - lrae 5y ago
      No? Also, you're the one talking about "Android". Is CalyxOS no android? Or GrapheneOS? But I guess that answers my question. Probably not much scanning going on.
    - n8cpdx 5y ago
      It just seems really weird to assume that switching to Android involves switching to Google services. There were weeks of threads with people discussing which version of Android (Calyx vs graphene, etc) they were going to switch to.
      - tmccrary55 5y ago
        Yeah... walk into a grocery store and ask all of the people using Android if they're using Calyx or graphene.
        n8cpdx 5y ago
        *all of the people who switched to Android _in protest of Apple's new CSAM system_
        tmccrary55 5y ago
        ???? Only on the orange site
- fulafel 5y ago
  Citation needed for Android doing this?
  - techrat 5y ago
    Funny how they always stop responding at this point. "I don't like what Apple is doing." Then out of nowhere and off topic: "GOOGS IS WORSE!" It's purely Pavlovian to them by now.
  - bobbles 5y ago
    https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/10330933?hl=en#zippy=%2Chow-does-google-identify-csam-on-its-platform https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/1033093... We invest heavily in fighting child sexual exploitation online and use technology to deter, detect, and remove CSAM from our platforms. This includes automated detection and human review, in addition to relying on reports submitted by our users and third parties such as NGOs, to detect, remove, and report CSAM on our platforms. We deploy hash matching, including YouTube’s CSAI Match, to detect known CSAM. We also deploy machine learning classifiers to discover never-before-seen CSAM, which is then confirmed by our specialist review teams. Using our classifiers, Google created the Content Safety API, which we provide to others to help them prioritize abuse content for human review.
    - tmccrary55 5y ago
      This.
    - fulafel 5y ago
      But no on-device fuzzy hash scanning and swat-ing on Android afaik - the above quote enumerates cloud services.

tmccrary55 5y ago

USB-C is a requirement on any device I buy these days. The amount of annoyance at tracking down a micro-usb cable and plugging it in has surprised me more than I thought.

monkeydust 5y ago
100% this. It's now must have for any new tech for same reasons.

jmnicolas 5y ago

I'm not sure I follow your logic: Google is certainly less trustworthy than Apple if we're speaking about scanning your files. And before you think I'm partial, I have no dog in this fight: I degoogled myself since last year and I don't own any Apple devices. But if I had to choose between Google and Apple for my privacy I would go with Apple (without much illusions).

post_break 5y ago
Sometimes the alternative isn't much better, so instead of trying to punish myself and get a pixel, degoogle everything, etc. I voted with my wallet. Do I just keep my iPhone and let them get away with the CSAM on device scanning? I chose not to, even if the privacy is worse on android. Some may think that's ass backwards, but it was a solution for my beliefs.
- runjake 5y ago
  It does seem ass backwards. Google scans your content for CSAM on their servers. And they scan your content for demographic and advertising data and god knows what else. I do not see your logic here. It appears to be an ill-decided knee-jerk reaction.
  - chippiewill 5y ago
    It's perplexing really. It's a bit like saying you don't like how the government spies on you, so you're moving to China.
  - cageface 5y ago
    The difference is Android gives you options. If you’re locked into iOS you’ve got no recourse if you disagree with Apple’s decisions.
    - top_sigrid 5y ago
      So what's the option of Google not scanning every content you have on their devices (I mean they even scan all your emails in Gmail)? With Apple's CSAM you have an actual option which is just to not use their iCloud photo sharing.

handrous 5y ago

Their still having two connectors is even more annoying than I thought it would be. We have lots of iDevices from several generations and even brand new ones—but only some of them, though, significantly, all the iPhones—are still shipping with lightning, years after they should have gone to USB-C. Given how long we're able to keep these things around and in use, that means we'll be dealing with stupid lightning cables and two different kinds of dongle through at least 2026, even if they switch all their new devices to USB-C today. That, in addition to the irritation & expense of USB-C itself.

post_break 5y ago
Not only do they have two connectors, they have two different Apple pencils too. Need to make sure you buy the right one.
- handrous 5y ago
  Well, the first one was a mis-designed piece of crap, so I don't mind that as much, though keeping it in use on some newer models after v2 was released does suck. (source for assertion about them being crap: I own one—the bad part's entirely the terrible charging/connector design, but that part's nearly parody-levels of bad)
  - Tagbert 5y ago
    The pencil was intimately tied to the generation of iPad. The iPad had to have specific support for connecting to the corresponding generation of pencil. They could only enable the new pencil as they redesigned the iPads. They are now going through their iPad line and updating the designs which allows them to switch to the new pencil.
    - handrous 5y ago
      Yeah, I get the technical reason that as Pro chips shifted down-market to other iPads they couldn't add support for the new-model Pencil without significant (and unjustifiably expensive) changes, it's just unfortunate. They had a similar, valid excuse for using Lightning connectors on lower-end phones and iPads for a while, but that time would now be long past if they'd introduced them when they should have, yet even the last round of top-end iPhones still had the damn things. I'm at the point where nearly the only things I can't charge with one laptop USB-C charger, and use with a single set of USB-C dongles, are old iPads (understandable) and new iPhones (which is the real WTF). Current-gen game controllers, the Nintendo Switch itself, my (non-Apple) wireless headphones, my (non-Apple) mechanical wireless keyboard, MacBook Air, 4th-gen iPad Pro, all USB-C for power. My 12-series iPhone I hope to use for at least three more years, and maybe as many as five, barring some must-have tech breakthroughs or my damaging it badly? Goddamn lightning connector.