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More often than not, AI/ML finds some surprising shortcut. I am pretty sure this will be the case too, because "races" and their (hypothetical) biological or ge
by tpm 5y ago
More often than not, AI/ML finds some surprising shortcut. I am pretty sure this will be the case too, because "races" and their (hypothetical) biological or genetic foundations don't map at all.
- zepto 5y agoI would like to agree with that, since I would like to believe race is a construct that we can dispense with at some point. That said, assuming the paper is just wrong is simply bias. If there is an identity associated with race, there is no reason to think it doesn’t impact biology. There is no reason to assume it’s genetic.
- tpm 5y agoWell if race has biological basis and also if race is inherited, there is no way around a genetic basis. Also there is a more than hundred year history of scientific research and no genetic (or other) grounding for race has been found. So yes, that is the source of my bias.
- zepto 5y ago> Well if race has biological basis and also if race is inherited, there is no way around a genetic basis. False. Diet and behavior affect biology amongst other things. > Also there is a more than hundred year history of scientific research and no genetic (or other) grounding for race has been found. We didn’t have machine learning or big data 100 years ago.
- tpm 5y ago> False. Diet and behavior affect biology amongst other things. Yeah, so if a South-Asian orphan is adopted into a Swedish family, he magically ceases to be of whatever race were his parents and becomes white. That's... not how the concept of human race works.
- zepto 5y agoAccording to many proponents of CRT or wokeness, absolutely he becomes white. People from typically non-white ethnicities are routinely accused of being white if they adopt cultural traits associated with white people. And it’s entirely possible that if he was adopted at a young enough age, whatever this AI is detecting would read him as white too, assuming his habits and diet affected his development, as they might. Indeed that would be consistent with your claim that there is nothing genetic about race.
- tpm 5y agoMy claim is that race is not a meaningful concept.
- zepto 5y agoDo you think that racism is real?
- tpm 5y agoYes, racism is sadly very real, it is based on perceived ingroup/outgroup differences and as such is only one of such ideologies (I come from a territory where people used to kill each other if they belonged to different branches of christianity, or later if they belonged to different nationality). They are all based on false beliefs and propagated by people who are trying to profit from hate and conflict.