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>There is NO reason to not be vaccinated at this point if you can be. If you've already had COVID, especially recently, that's a pretty damn good reason to not

>There is NO reason to not be vaccinated at this point if you can be. If you've already had COVID, especially recently, that's a pretty damn good reason to not get vaccinated given that your immunity is likely far stronger and more durable than a vaccinated-but-COVID-naïve person. [1] While getting vaccinated on top might help (there is not definitive data on this yet AFAIK [2]), it is also not 100% risk-free. So why would you do that if you're already more immune and thus less of a risk / less at-risk than the vaccinated population? For some people it might make sense to still get vaccinated after COVID recovery. But for those who choose not to, it's not at all fair to say they are all "idiots" or that there is "no reason" not to still get the shot. That's not accurate based on what the actual science tells us at this time. [1]: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected. [2]: https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vaccines-should-not-be-required-for-all-americans https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/why-covid-19-vacci...

random314 5y ago
None of these studies suggest that getting a vaccine increases your risk. It can only decrease it.
- JoshuaDavid 5y ago
  Is your claim that the vaccines don't themselves have any risks or side effects associated with them? "The vaccine, on average, will reduce your risk" is one claim that is correct for most people, but "the vaccine can only reduce your risk" is a much stronger claim that is not universally true (if you don't agree, consider whether one should get a daily dose of the vaccine).
  - random314 5y ago
    My claim is exactly what it is. You don't have to modify it. None of these studies suggest that getting a vaccine increases your risk. It can only decrease it.

random314 5y ago

None of these studies suggest that getting a vaccine increases your risk. It can only decrease it.

JoshuaDavid 5y ago
Is your claim that the vaccines don't themselves have any risks or side effects associated with them? "The vaccine, on average, will reduce your risk" is one claim that is correct for most people, but "the vaccine can only reduce your risk" is a much stronger claim that is not universally true (if you don't agree, consider whether one should get a daily dose of the vaccine).
- random314 5y ago
  My claim is exactly what it is. You don't have to modify it. None of these studies suggest that getting a vaccine increases your risk. It can only decrease it.