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From what I remember, it started with saying you'd be stupid to take "the trump vaccine". (In less pleasant language) To me, it seems to have been politicized

From what I remember, it started with saying you'd be stupid to take "the trump vaccine". (In less pleasant language) To me, it seems to have been politicized by the left first. This in combination with the RAPID flip of the coverage/opinion from the left after Biden took the presidency seems like a pretty good explanation for a good part of the rights defiance.

evgen 5y ago
NO ONE was calling it 'the Trump vaccine.' No one. No one on the left was polarizing response to Covid other than complaining that the current government was downplaying the severity. Even when it was apparent to the entire planet that this was a serious pandemic the right was pretending nothing was wrong. Then it was not really a problem because the first places it hit were large urban centers (aka Democratic-voting areas) so maybe this wasn't so bad after all and we can just wait for 'herd immunity' was the claim of the Trump crowd. You have a serious problem with reality and the truth if you think that people on the left waited until after the election to start pushing for a vaccine and for trying to take active steps to contain and control Covid spread.
- iszomer 5y ago
  Outside of social media, iirc, there was footage of certain political figures such as then Gov. Cuomo publicly rejecting the vaccine deployment in his state, during Trump's administration. Since people relied on social media more often than cable TV, I suppose there were lots of amplified "lost in translation" moments. A simple keyword search of "Trump vaccine" on reddit yields massive cognitive dissonance and a sociopath would conflate their bias from all the subreddits the keywords are found.
- Akronymus 5y ago
  >NO ONE was calling it 'the Trump vaccine.' While most didn't say trump vaccine directly, they alluded to trump being the main push behind it. >. No one on the left was polarizing response to Covid other than complaining that the current government was downplaying the severity. It apparently was racist to close the border for china. MANY people called trumps response overblown, until suddenly it was way too little. >Even when it was apparent to the entire planet that this was a serious pandemic the right was pretending nothing was wrong. "The right" was much faster to react than the left. That includes initial response and calling for opening back up. >Then it was not really a problem because the first places it hit were large urban centers (aka Democratic-voting areas) so maybe this wasn't so bad after all and we can just wait for 'herd immunity' was the claim of the Trump crowd. I have a hard time finding any source on that. Could you link me any? >You have a serious problem with reality and the truth if you think that people on the left waited until after the election to start pushing for a vaccine and for trying to take active steps to contain and control Covid spread. I am not saying that EVERYONE on the left was like that, just that I first started seeing the politicization come from the left. Quite an important difference. These are examples that took me just a few minutes to find again with people who flipped their opinion quite hard, along with that, trump has been pro vaccine for a long time. https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1297887665480593409 https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/129788766548059340... https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1389424632491495431 https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/138942463249149543... https://twitter.com/taradublinrocks/status/1302656968377548800 https://twitter.com/taradublinrocks/status/13026569683775488... https://twitter.com/taradublinrocks/status/1421188900177866753 https://twitter.com/taradublinrocks/status/14211889001778667... https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1334201006108839936 https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1334201006108839936 https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1421641394645577732 https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1421641394645577732 https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1304144185419800579 https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1304144185419800579 https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1386686118691844100 https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1386686118691844100 https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1298300531614658561 https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1298300531614658561 https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1414910318782861323 https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1414910318782861323 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1306762734076342273 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1306762734076342273 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1429803419108249606 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1429803419108249606
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  "Raise your hand if you would NEVER trust a vaccine pushed by a bleach-injection, snake-oil selling conman" -@mmpadellan (BrooklynDad_Defiant!) https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1306308110458511360?lang=en https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1306308110458511360?la... "I've been saying this shit for months. No surprise here. If you take Donald Trump's rushed "vaccine" you're an idiot." -@donwinslow (Don Winslow) https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1315830184084336640?lang=en https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1315830184084336640?la...
  - evgen 5y ago
    A few random people on rose Twitter? Seriously, that is the best you can find? Thanks for proving my point for me.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      >"A few random people on rose Twitter? Seriously, that is the best you can find? Thanks for proving my point for me. " So I'll re-quote the parent comment you made: >"NO ONE was calling it 'the Trump vaccine.' No one." Emphasis on the 'NO ONE', that you asserted in all caps and then bothered to repeat as it's own sentence. I literally just provided you two examples of people on the left insinuating as such. >"Seriously, that is the best you can find?" I suppose pundits and left-leaning influencers who regularly reach the top of the trending feed on Twitter don't count. Would you rather I find nobodies? I would dredge up quotes from columnists or campaign trail statements that allude to the vaccine being untrustworthy because of it's association with Donald Trump, but I sense you're just going to ignore them and further proclaim that I've proved your point - somehow.

evgen 5y ago

NO ONE was calling it 'the Trump vaccine.' No one. No one on the left was polarizing response to Covid other than complaining that the current government was downplaying the severity. Even when it was apparent to the entire planet that this was a serious pandemic the right was pretending nothing was wrong. Then it was not really a problem because the first places it hit were large urban centers (aka Democratic-voting areas) so maybe this wasn't so bad after all and we can just wait for 'herd immunity' was the claim of the Trump crowd. You have a serious problem with reality and the truth if you think that people on the left waited until after the election to start pushing for a vaccine and for trying to take active steps to contain and control Covid spread.

iszomer 5y ago
Outside of social media, iirc, there was footage of certain political figures such as then Gov. Cuomo publicly rejecting the vaccine deployment in his state, during Trump's administration. Since people relied on social media more often than cable TV, I suppose there were lots of amplified "lost in translation" moments. A simple keyword search of "Trump vaccine" on reddit yields massive cognitive dissonance and a sociopath would conflate their bias from all the subreddits the keywords are found.
Akronymus 5y ago
>NO ONE was calling it 'the Trump vaccine.' While most didn't say trump vaccine directly, they alluded to trump being the main push behind it. >. No one on the left was polarizing response to Covid other than complaining that the current government was downplaying the severity. It apparently was racist to close the border for china. MANY people called trumps response overblown, until suddenly it was way too little. >Even when it was apparent to the entire planet that this was a serious pandemic the right was pretending nothing was wrong. "The right" was much faster to react than the left. That includes initial response and calling for opening back up. >Then it was not really a problem because the first places it hit were large urban centers (aka Democratic-voting areas) so maybe this wasn't so bad after all and we can just wait for 'herd immunity' was the claim of the Trump crowd. I have a hard time finding any source on that. Could you link me any? >You have a serious problem with reality and the truth if you think that people on the left waited until after the election to start pushing for a vaccine and for trying to take active steps to contain and control Covid spread. I am not saying that EVERYONE on the left was like that, just that I first started seeing the politicization come from the left. Quite an important difference. These are examples that took me just a few minutes to find again with people who flipped their opinion quite hard, along with that, trump has been pro vaccine for a long time. https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1297887665480593409 https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/129788766548059340... https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1389424632491495431 https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/138942463249149543... https://twitter.com/taradublinrocks/status/1302656968377548800 https://twitter.com/taradublinrocks/status/13026569683775488... https://twitter.com/taradublinrocks/status/1421188900177866753 https://twitter.com/taradublinrocks/status/14211889001778667... https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1334201006108839936 https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1334201006108839936 https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1421641394645577732 https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1421641394645577732 https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1304144185419800579 https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1304144185419800579 https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1386686118691844100 https://twitter.com/tonyposnanski/status/1386686118691844100 https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1298300531614658561 https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1298300531614658561 https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1414910318782861323 https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1414910318782861323 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1306762734076342273 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1306762734076342273 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1429803419108249606 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1429803419108249606
BitwiseFool 5y ago
"Raise your hand if you would NEVER trust a vaccine pushed by a bleach-injection, snake-oil selling conman" -@mmpadellan (BrooklynDad_Defiant!) https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1306308110458511360?lang=en https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1306308110458511360?la... "I've been saying this shit for months. No surprise here. If you take Donald Trump's rushed "vaccine" you're an idiot." -@donwinslow (Don Winslow) https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1315830184084336640?lang=en https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1315830184084336640?la...
- evgen 5y ago
  A few random people on rose Twitter? Seriously, that is the best you can find? Thanks for proving my point for me.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    >"A few random people on rose Twitter? Seriously, that is the best you can find? Thanks for proving my point for me. " So I'll re-quote the parent comment you made: >"NO ONE was calling it 'the Trump vaccine.' No one." Emphasis on the 'NO ONE', that you asserted in all caps and then bothered to repeat as it's own sentence. I literally just provided you two examples of people on the left insinuating as such. >"Seriously, that is the best you can find?" I suppose pundits and left-leaning influencers who regularly reach the top of the trending feed on Twitter don't count. Would you rather I find nobodies? I would dredge up quotes from columnists or campaign trail statements that allude to the vaccine being untrustworthy because of it's association with Donald Trump, but I sense you're just going to ignore them and further proclaim that I've proved your point - somehow.