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The CDC has a pdf (downloadable) presentation about the data being used to decide on COVID booster vaccines: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/108332/cdc_108332_D

The CDC has a pdf (downloadable) presentation about the data being used to decide on COVID booster vaccines: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/108332/cdc_108332_DS1.pdf https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/108332/cdc_108332_DS1.pdf The UK government has data showing that about 2X more fully vaccinated people are dying from COVID than the unvaccinated (1,091 fully vaccinated vs. 536 vaccinated), even though the unvaccinated account for 3X more patients coming in for emergency care (6,492 fully vaccinated vs 14,319 unvaccinated) p.21: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-... A summary and analysis of the data can be found here: https://notobiggov.medium.com/angry-about-anti-vaxxers-15a151306cd1 https://notobiggov.medium.com/angry-about-anti-vaxxers-15a15...

refurb 5y ago
But that would somewhat makes sense? Those at highest risk of Covid would be vaccinated, those at lowest risk unvaccinated.
- moviewise 5y ago
  Yes. Also this: “It isn’t the absolute number of deaths that should be compared as there are 20 times MORE people vaccinated over age 50 (where most deaths occur) than unvaccinated. The UK has a 95% vaccination rate for people over 50. The rate of deaths is much, much lower in the vaccinated population. The rate of death is the number who have died in a population (vaccinated or unvaccinated) relative to the size of the population, usually expressed as number per 100,000 people. With 20,000,000 vaccinated people over 50, the death rate is 3.2 (per 100,000 people), but for the 1,000,000 UNvaccinated people, the death rate is 32 (per 100,000 people) — ten times higher. In other words, the vaccine is 90% effective against death, consistent with what was found in the original clinical trials.”
  - refurb 5y ago
    This is the challenging part is that there are multiple factors which impact risk and benefit from the vaccine. And those are dependent up the population examined - the vaccinated (likely higher risk), hospitalized (likely higher risk), etc.
brigandish 5y ago
> The UK government has data showing that about 2X more fully vaccinated people are dying from COVID than the unvaccinated (1,091 fully vaccinated vs. 536 vaccinated), even though the unvaccinated account for 3X more patients coming in for emergency care Because of the demographics of those 2 groups (old are more likely vaccinated, middle aged and below are less likely) and their risk profiles - it takes 150 people in their 40's to be vaccinated to have the same impact that 1 person in their 80's being vaccinated will.
krolley 5y ago
I saw the same comment on a different thread today, so I decided to have a sceptical look at the summary and analysis link. From that link: > Here is the pro-vaccine argument: “It isn’t the absolute number of deaths that should be compared as there are 20 times MORE people vaccinated over age 50 (where most deaths occur) than unvaccinated. The UK has a 95% vaccination rate for people over 50. The rate of deaths is much, much lower in the vaccinated population. The rate of death is the number who have died in a population (vaccinated or unvaccinated) relative to the size of the population, usually expressed as number per 100,000 people. With 20,000,000 vaccinated people over 50, the death rate is 3.2 (per 100,000 people), but for the 1,000,000 UNvaccinated people, the death rate is 32 (per 100,000 people) — ten times higher. In other words, the vaccine is 90% effective against death, consistent with what was found in the original clinical trials.” Of course, the chart also shows that people who are UNvaccinated are twice as likely to need overnight hospitalization than vaccinated people (4,033 vs 2,204), and thus this is one of the strongest justifications/reasons to get vaccinated. I'm glad what appears to be an anti-vax article was actually showing both sides.

refurb 5y ago

But that would somewhat makes sense? Those at highest risk of Covid would be vaccinated, those at lowest risk unvaccinated.

moviewise 5y ago
Yes. Also this: “It isn’t the absolute number of deaths that should be compared as there are 20 times MORE people vaccinated over age 50 (where most deaths occur) than unvaccinated. The UK has a 95% vaccination rate for people over 50. The rate of deaths is much, much lower in the vaccinated population. The rate of death is the number who have died in a population (vaccinated or unvaccinated) relative to the size of the population, usually expressed as number per 100,000 people. With 20,000,000 vaccinated people over 50, the death rate is 3.2 (per 100,000 people), but for the 1,000,000 UNvaccinated people, the death rate is 32 (per 100,000 people) — ten times higher. In other words, the vaccine is 90% effective against death, consistent with what was found in the original clinical trials.”
- refurb 5y ago
  This is the challenging part is that there are multiple factors which impact risk and benefit from the vaccine. And those are dependent up the population examined - the vaccinated (likely higher risk), hospitalized (likely higher risk), etc.

brigandish 5y ago

> The UK government has data showing that about 2X more fully vaccinated people are dying from COVID than the unvaccinated (1,091 fully vaccinated vs. 536 vaccinated), even though the unvaccinated account for 3X more patients coming in for emergency care Because of the demographics of those 2 groups (old are more likely vaccinated, middle aged and below are less likely) and their risk profiles - it takes 150 people in their 40's to be vaccinated to have the same impact that 1 person in their 80's being vaccinated will.

krolley 5y ago

I saw the same comment on a different thread today, so I decided to have a sceptical look at the summary and analysis link. From that link: > Here is the pro-vaccine argument: “It isn’t the absolute number of deaths that should be compared as there are 20 times MORE people vaccinated over age 50 (where most deaths occur) than unvaccinated. The UK has a 95% vaccination rate for people over 50. The rate of deaths is much, much lower in the vaccinated population. The rate of death is the number who have died in a population (vaccinated or unvaccinated) relative to the size of the population, usually expressed as number per 100,000 people. With 20,000,000 vaccinated people over 50, the death rate is 3.2 (per 100,000 people), but for the 1,000,000 UNvaccinated people, the death rate is 32 (per 100,000 people) — ten times higher. In other words, the vaccine is 90% effective against death, consistent with what was found in the original clinical trials.” Of course, the chart also shows that people who are UNvaccinated are twice as likely to need overnight hospitalization than vaccinated people (4,033 vs 2,204), and thus this is one of the strongest justifications/reasons to get vaccinated. I'm glad what appears to be an anti-vax article was actually showing both sides.