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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.h... looking at the map above tells m

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.h... looking at the map above tells me people in rich western countries are dying from covid at 2-8x rates of people in the developing countries with some exceptions(Brazil, Peru, Mexico). How on earth do you make any morality based policy calls based on this data?

542354234235 5y ago
>How on earth do you make any morality based policy calls based on this data? Well, you make those calls by looking more deeply into data than a country level map. In the US, the majority of states are at or near the point where vaccine supply is higher than demand. [1] The people that wanted vaccines got vaccines and the majority of the unvaccinated are that way by choice. We also know that over 98% of covid hospitalizations are those very same unvaccinated [2], showing that even with breakthrough infections, the vaccine is still very effective at preventing “serious” cases of covid. At The same time, we have a 25% reduction in the estimated available vaccines worldwide through the end of the year and poor countries that are reliant on vaccine aid delivered by rich nations have received a fraction of what was pledged. [3] Giving boosters to people in rich countries that are already highly protected and not at risk of significant illness and death while failing to send aid to provide any protection at all to the most vulnerable population is not exactly a morality based policy. Using vaccination rates of people that have access to vaccines and choose not to get them (and are dying based off that choice) as justification for this is ignorant at best, immoral in itself at worst. [1] https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/supply-vs-demand-which-states-are-reaching-their-covid-19-vaccine-tipping-points/ https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/supply-vs-demand-which-stat... [2] https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/unvaccinated-covid-patients-cost-the-u-s-health-system-billions-of-dollars/ https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/unvaccinated-covid... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-08/global-vaccine-program-covax-cuts-2021-supply-forecast https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-08/global-va...
- AzzieElbab 5y ago
  Why would you assume that vaccine hesitancy is uniquely American and immutable phenomena? Why would you assume 2 shots of vaccine is enough for life when a new variant pops up every month? As an official, how would you pick a country to send vaccines to when most of the world has lower infections and death rates? How would you ration your vaccines when FDA may authorize them for younger kids any day? What about vaccine mandates? Those are supposed to up the demand, right?

542354234235 5y ago

>How on earth do you make any morality based policy calls based on this data? Well, you make those calls by looking more deeply into data than a country level map. In the US, the majority of states are at or near the point where vaccine supply is higher than demand. [1] The people that wanted vaccines got vaccines and the majority of the unvaccinated are that way by choice. We also know that over 98% of covid hospitalizations are those very same unvaccinated [2], showing that even with breakthrough infections, the vaccine is still very effective at preventing “serious” cases of covid. At The same time, we have a 25% reduction in the estimated available vaccines worldwide through the end of the year and poor countries that are reliant on vaccine aid delivered by rich nations have received a fraction of what was pledged. [3] Giving boosters to people in rich countries that are already highly protected and not at risk of significant illness and death while failing to send aid to provide any protection at all to the most vulnerable population is not exactly a morality based policy. Using vaccination rates of people that have access to vaccines and choose not to get them (and are dying based off that choice) as justification for this is ignorant at best, immoral in itself at worst. [1] https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/supply-vs-demand-which-states-are-reaching-their-covid-19-vaccine-tipping-points/ https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/supply-vs-demand-which-stat... [2] https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/unvaccinated-covid-patients-cost-the-u-s-health-system-billions-of-dollars/ https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/unvaccinated-covid... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-08/global-vaccine-program-covax-cuts-2021-supply-forecast https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-08/global-va...

AzzieElbab 5y ago
Why would you assume that vaccine hesitancy is uniquely American and immutable phenomena? Why would you assume 2 shots of vaccine is enough for life when a new variant pops up every month? As an official, how would you pick a country to send vaccines to when most of the world has lower infections and death rates? How would you ration your vaccines when FDA may authorize them for younger kids any day? What about vaccine mandates? Those are supposed to up the demand, right?