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What’s the line from Jurassic Park? “They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should”

aldrinclement1 5y ago
There's also “If The Pirates Of The Caribbean Breaks Down, The Pirates Don’t Eat The Tourists.”
sdrawkcabmai 5y ago
But we all want Jurassic Park though. And we likely will get it in the next few decades, just like we will likely also get Westworld park full of virtual beings that you can seduce (and we probably have something near equivalent in VR now.)
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  I really doubt people want to seduce sexbots in a public park. If we get realistic west world sexbots, expect them to follow the business model of hookers.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >I really doubt people want to seduce sexbots in a public park Have you watched the show? It's "public", but it's so huge that the guest concentration closer to rural town than disney world.
    - tclancy 5y ago
      Oh ok, that's not weird then.
    - spywaregorilla 5y ago
      I watched the original, which was awesome. Newer one didn't appeal to me. It's a cute idea but that would be stupidly expensive. It would be difficult to compete with the nearby hotel that includes 10 robo-whores complementary with each night at 1/100th of the price; or a giga-chad sex machine that you can just purchase for home use. For sex, or, actually, just as a worker to do real labor because that's a hugely valuable task to society rather than playing pretend saloon whore for a few billionaires.
      - jon-wood 5y ago
        I think you've summed up the biggest immersion breaker in that program for me. At some point a character mentions a cost of $40,000/day, which seems like a huge amount until you look at how much staff is needed to keep the park running (including apparently an entire private army), and the amount of damage done on a daily basis which then needs fixing.
        spywaregorilla 5y ago
        That's pretty funny. Strictly speaking, there has to be more robots than people in the park at any time. Probably by a factor of 10-20 or so if you want people to feel like the real people tourists are a small minority. Implying each robot is earning about $2,000-4,000/day. Ignoring the fact that they get destroyed and other fixed costs, it would take years to pay these things off assuming they cost upwards of $10M each.
        gruez 5y ago
        >which seems like a huge amount until you look at how much staff is needed to keep the park running (including apparently an entire private army), and the amount of damage done on a daily basis which then needs fixing. [Spoiler] They did mention that the real money maker for the park was information collection, not the admission fees.
        spywaregorilla 5y ago
        What information could they possibly be collecting?
        gruez 5y ago
        excerpt from wikipedia synopsis: >Arnold organizes a demonstration of the hosts to convince Logan to invest in Westworld. Logan's father, James Delos, is critical of his son's actions until William persuades him that the park can be used to spy on the guests. James proceeds to buy out the park and name William as his successor.
spywaregorilla 5y ago
If you could make jurassic park with actual zoo architecture and technology that would be pretty cool.
jjoonathan 5y ago
Why do the dinosaurs always escape in Jurassic Park? Is it because the mathematics of chaos theory dictate that life always finds a way? Or is it because nobody pays to see a movie where a couple of brats go on an uneventful vacation to a dinosaur zoo? It's definitely the latter, but through the power of repetition people started to believe it was the former.
- throwaway889900 5y ago
  Isn't it almost always that the safeguards in place are poor? Either poorly maintained or the caretakers don't care at all.
  - jjoonathan 5y ago
    Jurassic Park is a great example of hard scifi in that the problems which happen all happen in believable ways. It's still fiction and not an attempt to realistically estimate the rate at which problems would happen or the magnitude of those problems if they did. Look to zoos if you want a realistic point of comparison for the risk analysis -- but not if you want to watch a T-Rex chase kids in Jeeps.
    - HeyLaughingBoy 5y ago
      Yep. I was actually thinking of zoos as a counterpoint to my post upthread. But the difference is that of scale: how do you allow a T-Rex or a herd of brachiosaurs the square miles they need for their territory and still keep them within that territory? You may as well just say, "let's not bother fencing them in and just use the ocean itself as the barrier."
- AlbertCory 5y ago
  It's because the scriptwriters tried selling a script where nothing much happened, and didn't even get past the receptionist.
  - coldacid 5y ago
Maursault 5y ago
No, hold on. This isn't this isn't some species that was obliterated by deforestation or or the building of a dam. Dinosaurs ah ah had their shot, and Nature selected them for extinction. I thought this was more applicable.

aldrinclement1 5y ago

There's also “If The Pirates Of The Caribbean Breaks Down, The Pirates Don’t Eat The Tourists.”

sdrawkcabmai 5y ago

But we all want Jurassic Park though. And we likely will get it in the next few decades, just like we will likely also get Westworld park full of virtual beings that you can seduce (and we probably have something near equivalent in VR now.)

spywaregorilla 5y ago
I really doubt people want to seduce sexbots in a public park. If we get realistic west world sexbots, expect them to follow the business model of hookers.
- gruez 5y ago
  >I really doubt people want to seduce sexbots in a public park Have you watched the show? It's "public", but it's so huge that the guest concentration closer to rural town than disney world.
  - tclancy 5y ago
    Oh ok, that's not weird then.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    I watched the original, which was awesome. Newer one didn't appeal to me. It's a cute idea but that would be stupidly expensive. It would be difficult to compete with the nearby hotel that includes 10 robo-whores complementary with each night at 1/100th of the price; or a giga-chad sex machine that you can just purchase for home use. For sex, or, actually, just as a worker to do real labor because that's a hugely valuable task to society rather than playing pretend saloon whore for a few billionaires.
    - jon-wood 5y ago
      I think you've summed up the biggest immersion breaker in that program for me. At some point a character mentions a cost of $40,000/day, which seems like a huge amount until you look at how much staff is needed to keep the park running (including apparently an entire private army), and the amount of damage done on a daily basis which then needs fixing.
      - spywaregorilla 5y ago
        That's pretty funny. Strictly speaking, there has to be more robots than people in the park at any time. Probably by a factor of 10-20 or so if you want people to feel like the real people tourists are a small minority. Implying each robot is earning about $2,000-4,000/day. Ignoring the fact that they get destroyed and other fixed costs, it would take years to pay these things off assuming they cost upwards of $10M each.
      - gruez 5y ago
        >which seems like a huge amount until you look at how much staff is needed to keep the park running (including apparently an entire private army), and the amount of damage done on a daily basis which then needs fixing. [Spoiler] They did mention that the real money maker for the park was information collection, not the admission fees.
        spywaregorilla 5y ago
        What information could they possibly be collecting?
        gruez 5y ago
        excerpt from wikipedia synopsis: >Arnold organizes a demonstration of the hosts to convince Logan to invest in Westworld. Logan's father, James Delos, is critical of his son's actions until William persuades him that the park can be used to spy on the guests. James proceeds to buy out the park and name William as his successor.

spywaregorilla 5y ago

If you could make jurassic park with actual zoo architecture and technology that would be pretty cool.

jjoonathan 5y ago

Why do the dinosaurs always escape in Jurassic Park? Is it because the mathematics of chaos theory dictate that life always finds a way? Or is it because nobody pays to see a movie where a couple of brats go on an uneventful vacation to a dinosaur zoo? It's definitely the latter, but through the power of repetition people started to believe it was the former.

throwaway889900 5y ago
Isn't it almost always that the safeguards in place are poor? Either poorly maintained or the caretakers don't care at all.
- jjoonathan 5y ago
  Jurassic Park is a great example of hard scifi in that the problems which happen all happen in believable ways. It's still fiction and not an attempt to realistically estimate the rate at which problems would happen or the magnitude of those problems if they did. Look to zoos if you want a realistic point of comparison for the risk analysis -- but not if you want to watch a T-Rex chase kids in Jeeps.
  - HeyLaughingBoy 5y ago
    Yep. I was actually thinking of zoos as a counterpoint to my post upthread. But the difference is that of scale: how do you allow a T-Rex or a herd of brachiosaurs the square miles they need for their territory and still keep them within that territory? You may as well just say, "let's not bother fencing them in and just use the ocean itself as the barrier."
AlbertCory 5y ago
It's because the scriptwriters tried selling a script where nothing much happened, and didn't even get past the receptionist.
- coldacid 5y ago

Maursault 5y ago

No, hold on. This isn't this isn't some species that was obliterated by deforestation or or the building of a dam. Dinosaurs ah ah had their shot, and Nature selected them for extinction. I thought this was more applicable.