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There's only one race. Ethnicity may vary.

Huwyt_Nashi_070 5y ago
Any other 60-IQ takes to share?
macksd 5y ago
Unless you're the US government, then ethnicity refers to whether or not you're Hispanic, and race encompasses all other distinctions.
dahfizz 5y ago
ethnicity = race race = something_else() You're just redefining words, we are all still talking about the same concepts. This is unhelpful pedantry.
- dexen 5y ago
  "Euphemism treadmill" [1] is a real problem when medical terminology enters common circulation. Various medical terms have shifted into insult or slur territory over the years - a risky example being "mentally retarded". Note it started as a polite expression used in stead of earlier expressions that already fell victim to euphemism treadmill - and now is understood as an insult. "Handicapped" is an example that went from polite ersatz word to bordering on insulting in our lifetimes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Euphemism_treadmill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Euphemism_treadmill
- goatlover 5y ago
  There's one species of humans still around. Race is a non-scientific category that got made up a few centuries ago, and has continually changed over that time. Ethnicity is the regional and cultural group of usually related people that everyone prior to western colonization understood as separate groups. Often you could assimilate into a different ethnicity. So Romans would have understand themselves to be different from Greeks, Persians, Egyptians and Jews.
- FourthProtocol 5y ago
  Maybe so. The point I think should stand however, pedantry or no because - First, ethnicity (1) is very much not race (2). Second, and I assumed (wrongly, apparently) that a reader might follow this discussion to a logical end, which is to question why determining race using AI or any other means is even neccessary or remarkable. The article briefly knocks on that door in the last section (titled "so what"), but has nothing on offer. If I'm simply redefining words then I'm marginalising years of racism. Mandela, MLK and many many more must similarly be pedants, no? (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

Any other 60-IQ takes to share?

Unless you're the US government, then ethnicity refers to whether or not you're Hispanic, and race encompasses all other distinctions.

dahfizz 5y ago

ethnicity = race race = something_else() You're just redefining words, we are all still talking about the same concepts. This is unhelpful pedantry.

dexen 5y ago
"Euphemism treadmill" [1] is a real problem when medical terminology enters common circulation. Various medical terms have shifted into insult or slur territory over the years - a risky example being "mentally retarded". Note it started as a polite expression used in stead of earlier expressions that already fell victim to euphemism treadmill - and now is understood as an insult. "Handicapped" is an example that went from polite ersatz word to bordering on insulting in our lifetimes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Euphemism_treadmill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Euphemism_treadmill
goatlover 5y ago
There's one species of humans still around. Race is a non-scientific category that got made up a few centuries ago, and has continually changed over that time. Ethnicity is the regional and cultural group of usually related people that everyone prior to western colonization understood as separate groups. Often you could assimilate into a different ethnicity. So Romans would have understand themselves to be different from Greeks, Persians, Egyptians and Jews.
FourthProtocol 5y ago
Maybe so. The point I think should stand however, pedantry or no because - First, ethnicity (1) is very much not race (2). Second, and I assumed (wrongly, apparently) that a reader might follow this discussion to a logical end, which is to question why determining race using AI or any other means is even neccessary or remarkable. The article briefly knocks on that door in the last section (titled "so what"), but has nothing on offer. If I'm simply redefining words then I'm marginalising years of racism. Mandela, MLK and many many more must similarly be pedants, no? (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)