> This cheapen our citizenship beyond stupidity As a French, I'm more ashamed by your comment than by anything these people might do. It's going to be hard to

> This cheapen our citizenship beyond stupidity As a French, I'm more ashamed by your comment than by anything these people might do. It's going to be hard to cheapen "our" citizenship given how low French born people have dragged it. > I am not surprised France is not France anymore. It’s not a country with shared ideals, it’s just a bunch of people living in the same area. Despite what the far right like to pretend, France never was a country of shared ideals. France history is one of continuous struggles and disagreements. It starts with war in the Vendée, through Thiers having the communards executed, the pro and anti-Dreyfusard to Petain having the communist members of parliament expelled. It's even more fun when you consider that most of the people who fought for France in its darkest hour did so from a frankly internationalist ideal. The defining factor of France if there ever was one is its strong and highly centralised state and its undying love for meddling with the lives of its citizen and private companies. France is first and foremost a state more than a nation. You could argue that the French nation is actually defined by adherence to the Jacobin ideal of the state. I really wish people stopped believing the tosh the state cronies served to peasants and labourers at the beginning of the 20th century to convince them to go die in a trench.