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Typical presidential election move, sadly. This cheapen our citizenship beyond stupidity, I did work during the pandemic and I am not expecting anyone to rewar

Typical presidential election move, sadly. This cheapen our citizenship beyond stupidity, I did work during the pandemic and I am not expecting anyone to reward me for it, that’s what salary is for. Becoming French should be rewarded to the people who lived here for a while, showed that there were able to speak fluent French, proved that they knew a good deal of French history, literature as well as decent general knowledge and who embraced the culture. I am not surprised France is not France anymore. It’s not a country with shared ideals, it’s just a bunch of people living in the same area.

xwolfi 5y ago
Disagree a bit. Am French too, immigrant in another country. I understand I'm a guest, and do what you say in my new home. However, in exceptional circumstances, serving the country, even if by chance, warrant a bit of leeway. Our citizenship is not a "valuable" resource we must keep to ourselves, it's an admission we like each other. France has always been a bunch of people living in the same area. Go to Marseille and tell me they share your ideas, if you're from Normandy. If feel more at home in China than there :D
- wiether 5y ago
  > France has always been a bunch of people living in the same area. This. Saying "France is not France anymore" is a typical MAGA (or FFGE) move. You have your own idea of what the country is, based on your narrow experience of it, and you see it moving from this view, so you think that the whole country is not the same anymore. But every country changes, the World changes. So no matter when you are or where you are, a country is always "not the same anymore". And if you liked what it was sometimes and don't like what it currently is, yeah, maybe it was "better" before. But some other people find it better now. And other even thought it was better at a time before you found it great. So saying a country is not as good as it was is just being an old man yelling at clouds.
WastingMyTime89 5y ago
> This cheapen our citizenship beyond stupidity As a French, I'm more ashamed by your comment than by anything these people might do. It's going to be hard to cheapen "our" citizenship given how low French born people have dragged it. > I am not surprised France is not France anymore. It’s not a country with shared ideals, it’s just a bunch of people living in the same area. Despite what the far right like to pretend, France never was a country of shared ideals. France history is one of continuous struggles and disagreements. It starts with war in the Vendée, through Thiers having the communards executed, the pro and anti-Dreyfusard to Petain having the communist members of parliament expelled. It's even more fun when you consider that most of the people who fought for France in its darkest hour did so from a frankly internationalist ideal. The defining factor of France if there ever was one is its strong and highly centralised state and its undying love for meddling with the lives of its citizen and private companies. France is first and foremost a state more than a nation. You could argue that the French nation is actually defined by adherence to the Jacobin ideal of the state. I really wish people stopped believing the tosh the state cronies served to peasants and labourers at the beginning of the 20th century to convince them to go die in a trench.
wiether 5y ago
> Typical presidential election move, sadly. How do you assume that it will have any impact on the elections ? I doubt that 12k people will change the outcome. I doubt they will all vote. Even more for Macron. Far right people who tend to agreed with Macron's ideas will find this problematic to say the least. So know they will look for alternatives. Moderate people don't exist or don't vote. It will not change the mind of left people. Or they will see it as a move so they will hate Macron even more. So I don't see what positive outcome for his reelection he could be expecting from this "move".
thekooples 5y ago
I assume most of the people who negatively responded to you never lived in / near Cités or parisian Banlieues. I also assume that they put their kids in private schools if they do.

xwolfi 5y ago

Disagree a bit. Am French too, immigrant in another country. I understand I'm a guest, and do what you say in my new home. However, in exceptional circumstances, serving the country, even if by chance, warrant a bit of leeway. Our citizenship is not a "valuable" resource we must keep to ourselves, it's an admission we like each other. France has always been a bunch of people living in the same area. Go to Marseille and tell me they share your ideas, if you're from Normandy. If feel more at home in China than there :D

wiether 5y ago
> France has always been a bunch of people living in the same area. This. Saying "France is not France anymore" is a typical MAGA (or FFGE) move. You have your own idea of what the country is, based on your narrow experience of it, and you see it moving from this view, so you think that the whole country is not the same anymore. But every country changes, the World changes. So no matter when you are or where you are, a country is always "not the same anymore". And if you liked what it was sometimes and don't like what it currently is, yeah, maybe it was "better" before. But some other people find it better now. And other even thought it was better at a time before you found it great. So saying a country is not as good as it was is just being an old man yelling at clouds.

WastingMyTime89 5y ago

> This cheapen our citizenship beyond stupidity As a French, I'm more ashamed by your comment than by anything these people might do. It's going to be hard to cheapen "our" citizenship given how low French born people have dragged it. > I am not surprised France is not France anymore. It’s not a country with shared ideals, it’s just a bunch of people living in the same area. Despite what the far right like to pretend, France never was a country of shared ideals. France history is one of continuous struggles and disagreements. It starts with war in the Vendée, through Thiers having the communards executed, the pro and anti-Dreyfusard to Petain having the communist members of parliament expelled. It's even more fun when you consider that most of the people who fought for France in its darkest hour did so from a frankly internationalist ideal. The defining factor of France if there ever was one is its strong and highly centralised state and its undying love for meddling with the lives of its citizen and private companies. France is first and foremost a state more than a nation. You could argue that the French nation is actually defined by adherence to the Jacobin ideal of the state. I really wish people stopped believing the tosh the state cronies served to peasants and labourers at the beginning of the 20th century to convince them to go die in a trench.

wiether 5y ago

> Typical presidential election move, sadly. How do you assume that it will have any impact on the elections ? I doubt that 12k people will change the outcome. I doubt they will all vote. Even more for Macron. Far right people who tend to agreed with Macron's ideas will find this problematic to say the least. So know they will look for alternatives. Moderate people don't exist or don't vote. It will not change the mind of left people. Or they will see it as a move so they will hate Macron even more. So I don't see what positive outcome for his reelection he could be expecting from this "move".

thekooples 5y ago

I assume most of the people who negatively responded to you never lived in / near Cités or parisian Banlieues. I also assume that they put their kids in private schools if they do.