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C++ and C have spent $0 on marketing and are more popular, so I don't think this is a good indicator of success.

• kaba0 5y ago
  Never heard of any conference starting with Cpp or the like, nor does it have a website I guess..
  • cjfd 5y ago
    That you have never heard of things does not mean they do not exist.... https://cppcon.org/ https://cppcon.org/
    • kaba0 5y ago
      It was sarcasm.
      • shaklee3 5y ago
        The sarcasm didn't make sense. The conference was started way, way later, by community organizers from all companies. This completely disproves that it was a major money push from one company.
  • Jensson 5y ago
    Those exists because the language is popular, they weren't created to market the language before it was popular.
    • kaba0 5y ago
      My point is that OP’s comparison is useless because Java most definitely has marketing costs mostly associated with that 8+ million Java developers, the same as other popular languages.
      • Jensson 5y ago
        How is this relevant when the topic was that Oracle literally spent $500 million marketing Java? The community of anything popular is marketing itself, yes, but that is a very different thing from having an actual marketing budget to push it to popularity.
    • pjmlp 5y ago
      This is what made C++ popular, Apple: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Programmer%27s_Workshop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Programmer%27s_Works... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPlant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPlant Borland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Vision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Vision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_Windows_Library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_Windows_Library IBM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Open_Class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Open_Class Microsoft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Foundation_Class_Library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Foundation_Class_Lib... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Template_Library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Template_Library
      • Jensson 5y ago
        The fact that you linked so many different companies is evidence that this wasn't just some push by a single company. Those things happened in parallel because the language was popular and is evidence of a vibrant community more than anything else. Being popular means many will want to make things with it yes, saying that it got popular since many people did things with it doesn't make sense.
        • pjmlp 5y ago
          Yes, because as I mentioned on the other comment you ignored, thanks UNIX, C, being born at AT&T, and the $0 cost of UNIX tooling up to the mid-80's alongside source code. Had C++ been born somewhere else, e.g. Objective-C, and its popularity wouldn't exist.
          • Jensson 5y ago
            > Yes, because as I mentioned on the other comment you ignored I am not the other person you responded to. Anyway, don't you think the fact that so many others decided to copy the language and implement their own versions of it is a testament to its popularity and not just that it got pushed by a single company?
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• pjmlp 5y ago
  Indeed, C came for $0 with UNIX that AT&T wasn't allowed to sell and provided source tapes alonside a symbolic price, in a time where systems cost several hundreds $$$$. C++ came on the same package as C compilers, some of which it was a compiler switch away. Both were picked by OS vendors that tried to cater on top of UNIX clones. Yep, zero marketing.