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Not to get political, but your last paragraph implies there's nothing worth fighting for. To paraphrase John Ringo, I desire peace, but I require liberty. War

Not to get political, but your last paragraph implies there's nothing worth fighting for. To paraphrase John Ringo, I desire peace, but I require liberty. War is waste - but the only thing worse than war is loss of liberty.

hyperbovine 5y ago
Remind me what we’re fighting for again? In 2021.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
  I suppose that depends on your definition of liberty
hjek 5y ago
> Not to get political, but your last paragraph implies there's nothing worth fighting for. Do you really believe I'm arguing that there's nothing worth fighting for when I write that: "We should help refugees get safe passage and eliminate borders"?
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
  No, it's this bit: > Anyone working with defense in any capacity, like militarizing borders with drones or whatever, should immediately quit or turn whistle blower.
  - hjek 5y ago
    Well, how about this then: It's worth fighting against borders; it's worth fighting for refugees' right to exist and to ensure their safe passage (rather than forcing them to die of thirst in the desert, drowning at sea or getting caught and beaten by border patrols using drones with thermal cameras[0]). I'm aware that some people believe that you "fight for freedom" or "defend your nation" by building border walls, using Reaper drones to launch Hellfire missiles at strangers, putting kids in cages, and perhaps having 70.000 nuclear warheads around, just in case. However, when you read certain reports (e.g. Daliel Hale's leaks about USA's assasination programme[1], or Collateral Murder[2]), then it becomes clear that weapons and wars (that we're simulating in Red Alert albeit in a contrafactual nazi-free timeline) are a major source of suffering and death worldwide. "Defense" is a neat euphemism for attack. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/26/eu-borders-migrants-hitech-surveillance-asylum-seekers https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/26/e... [1]: https://theintercept.com/2021/07/30/daniel-hale-drone-whistleblower/ https://theintercept.com/2021/07/30/daniel-hale-drone-whistl... [2]: https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/ https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

hyperbovine 5y ago

Remind me what we’re fighting for again? In 2021.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
I suppose that depends on your definition of liberty

hjek 5y ago

> Not to get political, but your last paragraph implies there's nothing worth fighting for. Do you really believe I'm arguing that there's nothing worth fighting for when I write that: "We should help refugees get safe passage and eliminate borders"?

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
No, it's this bit: > Anyone working with defense in any capacity, like militarizing borders with drones or whatever, should immediately quit or turn whistle blower.
- hjek 5y ago
  Well, how about this then: It's worth fighting against borders; it's worth fighting for refugees' right to exist and to ensure their safe passage (rather than forcing them to die of thirst in the desert, drowning at sea or getting caught and beaten by border patrols using drones with thermal cameras[0]). I'm aware that some people believe that you "fight for freedom" or "defend your nation" by building border walls, using Reaper drones to launch Hellfire missiles at strangers, putting kids in cages, and perhaps having 70.000 nuclear warheads around, just in case. However, when you read certain reports (e.g. Daliel Hale's leaks about USA's assasination programme[1], or Collateral Murder[2]), then it becomes clear that weapons and wars (that we're simulating in Red Alert albeit in a contrafactual nazi-free timeline) are a major source of suffering and death worldwide. "Defense" is a neat euphemism for attack. [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/26/eu-borders-migrants-hitech-surveillance-asylum-seekers https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/26/e... [1]: https://theintercept.com/2021/07/30/daniel-hale-drone-whistleblower/ https://theintercept.com/2021/07/30/daniel-hale-drone-whistl... [2]: https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/ https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/