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Good technology alone isn't enough to lead to adoption. Tiddlywiki, imo, is the best personal blogging tools. It is a static site, it got an embedded editor, it

by a_c 5y ago

Good technology alone isn't enough to lead to adoption. Tiddlywiki, imo, is the best personal blogging tools. It is a static site, it got an embedded editor, it got cool concepts realised like transclusion, among many others. Go ask around, I bet hardly anyone talks about it. If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? https://tiddlywiki.com/ https://tiddlywiki.com/

Groxx 5y ago
Having looked quite a bit for personal docs stores: tiddlywiki is definitely very interesting and fits its niche pretty well, and I too will highly recommend people take a look at it, but it's just not viable in many cases. E.g. mobile requires a browser plugin (... which is a broken link, and there seem to be both few alternatives and they have reviews that imply there may be problems) or separate app to allow saving[1]. iOS requires a separate app[2]. Sync occurs in one giant html file, so if you edit one word, the whole thing has to be re-synced (so using it for any moderate amount of media is a no-go) (this is both a great feature for hosting-free purposes, and a great curse). Much of this has been due to browsers clamping down on permissions. To work around those, your main option is to... use a web server to host it. If you do that, then tiddlywiki is basically just another self-hostable web server with an interesting UI - there are quite a few also-good competitors in that space. [1]: https://tiddlywiki.com/static/GettingStarted%2520-%2520Android.html https://tiddlywiki.com/static/GettingStarted%2520-%2520Andro... [2]: https://tiddlywiki.com/static/GettingStarted%2520-%2520iOS.html https://tiddlywiki.com/static/GettingStarted%2520-%2520iOS.h...
- novok 5y ago
  I agree. There is a lot of great software out there that never really tried to update themselves to the mobile world, and thus fell behind. Tiddly being made in 2004 is a great example of that.
  - Groxx 5y ago
    Tiddlywiki got particularly heavily smacked down by browser and mobile-OS changes/decisions, to be fair. For a fair amount of time, you could open a static file on your disk and it'd have access to any other file on disk, and eventually could even write back to disk... then that was locked down because it became a security issue (which really isn't surprising, but it is unfortunate for legitimate uses). For a couple (few?) years, extensions could easily work around this... now it's a huge hassle. And through it all, mobile has either not had sufficient features for that at all, or has had much stricter permissions that effectively mean no disk access at all. The whole concept of tiddlywiki (as a single mutable html file) has become extremely difficult to maintain, where it used to be extremely simple. The rest of the stuff tiddlywiki does is still great - transclusion is a great idea, and it works well. Server hosting is extremely cheap and simple. The UI has some very one-or-few-users-friendly patterns, and it really does do non-linear quite well. There's a lot to like about it. But once you go to web hosting, you're competing with every other website - the ecosystem is quite literally like a million times larger than cross-OS-and-serverless, it's not surprising that it's not all that well known.
romwell 5y ago
>Go ask around, I bet hardly anyone talks about it Well, I, for one, have built this ADHD resource with it: https://romankogan.net/adhd https://romankogan.net/adhd Depends on where you ask around, I guess =]

by a_c 5y ago

Groxx 5y ago

Having looked quite a bit for personal docs stores: tiddlywiki is definitely very interesting and fits its niche pretty well, and I too will highly recommend people take a look at it, but it's just not viable in many cases. E.g. mobile requires a browser plugin (... which is a broken link, and there seem to be both few alternatives and they have reviews that imply there may be problems) or separate app to allow saving[1]. iOS requires a separate app[2]. Sync occurs in one giant html file, so if you edit one word, the whole thing has to be re-synced (so using it for any moderate amount of media is a no-go) (this is both a great feature for hosting-free purposes, and a great curse). Much of this has been due to browsers clamping down on permissions. To work around those, your main option is to... use a web server to host it. If you do that, then tiddlywiki is basically just another self-hostable web server with an interesting UI - there are quite a few also-good competitors in that space. [1]: https://tiddlywiki.com/static/GettingStarted%2520-%2520Android.html https://tiddlywiki.com/static/GettingStarted%2520-%2520Andro... [2]: https://tiddlywiki.com/static/GettingStarted%2520-%2520iOS.html https://tiddlywiki.com/static/GettingStarted%2520-%2520iOS.h...

novok 5y ago
I agree. There is a lot of great software out there that never really tried to update themselves to the mobile world, and thus fell behind. Tiddly being made in 2004 is a great example of that.
- Groxx 5y ago
  Tiddlywiki got particularly heavily smacked down by browser and mobile-OS changes/decisions, to be fair. For a fair amount of time, you could open a static file on your disk and it'd have access to any other file on disk, and eventually could even write back to disk... then that was locked down because it became a security issue (which really isn't surprising, but it is unfortunate for legitimate uses). For a couple (few?) years, extensions could easily work around this... now it's a huge hassle. And through it all, mobile has either not had sufficient features for that at all, or has had much stricter permissions that effectively mean no disk access at all. The whole concept of tiddlywiki (as a single mutable html file) has become extremely difficult to maintain, where it used to be extremely simple. The rest of the stuff tiddlywiki does is still great - transclusion is a great idea, and it works well. Server hosting is extremely cheap and simple. The UI has some very one-or-few-users-friendly patterns, and it really does do non-linear quite well. There's a lot to like about it. But once you go to web hosting, you're competing with every other website - the ecosystem is quite literally like a million times larger than cross-OS-and-serverless, it's not surprising that it's not all that well known.

romwell 5y ago

>Go ask around, I bet hardly anyone talks about it Well, I, for one, have built this ADHD resource with it: https://romankogan.net/adhd https://romankogan.net/adhd Depends on where you ask around, I guess =]