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For those who are interested in modifying their diet for the environment but are hesitant to cut out meat altogether: the two-thirds vegan diet has much less ca

For those who are interested in modifying their diet for the environment but are hesitant to cut out meat altogether: the two-thirds vegan diet has much less carbon footprint than going fully vegetarian [1]. [1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/15/how-much-would-giving-up-meat-help-the-environment https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/15/how-much...

mumblemumble 5y ago
Though, you can see right there on the graph, that comparison relies on lacto-ovo vegetarians eating a heck of a lot of dairy. Also: > However, a newly converted vegetarian who replaces every 50g of beef she usually eats with 100g of kale would soon be famished. C'mon. The only world in which the idea of someone doing that is anything but absurd and/or tragic is one of motivated hypotheticals. Replacing your primary source of protein and fat with a pile of leaves is not vegetarian eating; it's disordered eating. They do it again right at the end, with the well-poisoning phrase, "die-hard leaf-eaters." Allow me to suggest that, if that's what you think eating vegan is about, you won't last long on the 2/3 vegan diet, either. For goodness sake, at least throw some beans or a potato or something in so you're not spending four days a week being hangry all the time. Maybe even treat yourself to a burrito; at Chipotle the meat and dairy free ones are still something like 1000 calories apiece. And they'll put some leaves in it, if you like, free of charge. Multiple kinds of leaves.
- mtalantikite 5y ago
  Yeah, as a vegetarian I always get the feeling that meat eaters are just really not that imaginative with how they think about food. The knee-jerk reaction is often “so you just eat salads?” as if, you know, food didn’t exist.
  - XorNot 5y ago
    Heck I'm not vegetarian, but deliberately started seeking out vegetarian recipes because they have a much more diverse flavor profile and more interesting uses of spices.
  - spicymaki 5y ago
    I 100% agree! I actually did not know what was available out there until I went vegetarian. There is an amazing amount of variety.
tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
Also, eating chicken or even pork instead of beef is a significant improvement. Replacing pork with cheese, on the other hand, doesn't do much.

mumblemumble 5y ago

Though, you can see right there on the graph, that comparison relies on lacto-ovo vegetarians eating a heck of a lot of dairy. Also: > However, a newly converted vegetarian who replaces every 50g of beef she usually eats with 100g of kale would soon be famished. C'mon. The only world in which the idea of someone doing that is anything but absurd and/or tragic is one of motivated hypotheticals. Replacing your primary source of protein and fat with a pile of leaves is not vegetarian eating; it's disordered eating. They do it again right at the end, with the well-poisoning phrase, "die-hard leaf-eaters." Allow me to suggest that, if that's what you think eating vegan is about, you won't last long on the 2/3 vegan diet, either. For goodness sake, at least throw some beans or a potato or something in so you're not spending four days a week being hangry all the time. Maybe even treat yourself to a burrito; at Chipotle the meat and dairy free ones are still something like 1000 calories apiece. And they'll put some leaves in it, if you like, free of charge. Multiple kinds of leaves.

mtalantikite 5y ago
Yeah, as a vegetarian I always get the feeling that meat eaters are just really not that imaginative with how they think about food. The knee-jerk reaction is often “so you just eat salads?” as if, you know, food didn’t exist.
- XorNot 5y ago
  Heck I'm not vegetarian, but deliberately started seeking out vegetarian recipes because they have a much more diverse flavor profile and more interesting uses of spices.
- spicymaki 5y ago
  I 100% agree! I actually did not know what was available out there until I went vegetarian. There is an amazing amount of variety.

tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago

Also, eating chicken or even pork instead of beef is a significant improvement. Replacing pork with cheese, on the other hand, doesn't do much.