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Buried lede: Apple has patched that particular exploit [1] and everyone should download iOS14.8 now if you want to be protected (no doubt NSO has other tricks

by r00fus 5y ago

Buried lede: Apple has patched that particular exploit [1] and everyone should download iOS14.8 now if you want to be protected (no doubt NSO has other tricks up their sleeve). Edit: Just realized it also impacts macOS and watchOS as well which were also patched. Patch Monday! [1] https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT212807 https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT212807

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sneak 5y ago
Pretty soon the choice will be between: - vulnerable to the latest published exploits or - vulnerable to clientside scanning of your media for wrongthink by Apple for the CCP Smash that iOS update button and do your part for the party!
- samtheprogram 5y ago
  The irony is that if you’re not updated to the latest iOS, the easier (cheaper?) it is for the CCP to run surveillance exploits on your device a la the Uighurs. You can either trust Apple, or lose all security updates.
- Syonyk 5y ago
  > Pretty soon the choice will be between What about "Don't use Apple products"? I know that Android is just as bad in many ways... And if all options in the modern tech industry basket of choice are terrible, well... humanity survived without them for an awfully long time. I've gone back to a flip phone from an iPhone. I no longer use Windows if I can at all avoid it (there exist a few sysadmin tasks involving netbooting Mikrotik devices for major OS updates that are far less painful on Windows than other OSes), and have no plans to let Win11 in my life. And Apple is heading out the door too. Throw in my dislike of Intel, and... yeah, it's getting pretty thin pickings. I still have an iPad with no accounts on it as a PDF reader, but I'd like to replace that with something else (Remarkable or such). "Agh, this is soooo terrible, but I'm going to keep using it!" just means, in practice, it's not that terrible.
  - novok 5y ago
    Good for you, not good for %99.99 of the population. For nation states, that is mission accomplished! You never get %100 compliance with anything with large numbers.
  - haswell 5y ago
    > "Agh, this is soooo terrible, but I'm going to keep using it!" just means, in practice, it's not that terrible. I don't think this is the only conclusion here. I think we should acknowledge just how central personal computing devices are in society in 2021. Sure, it's true that humanity survived without them, but at that time, societal norms were drastically different. Removing tech from daily life today can be crippling, and that's part of what makes some of these issues so terrible. They directly threaten our daily lives. I'd argue that it's possible for the thing to be "very terrible", and to conclude that it's still your only option to continue using the Apple/Google ecosystem. - Not all users have the financial means to switch. The iPhone they own is the one phone they'll buy for the next 3-4 years. - A growing number of users have only an iDevice and no standalone PC. Couple this with #1, and things get even more difficult. - The utility afforded by the Apple ecosystem is high enough (or virtually required depending on one's job) that it outweighs the current set of downsides. If a corner store owner pays a weekly fee to the local gang "for protection", it doesn't necessarily follow that because the owner chooses to pay the fee, the extortion must not be soooo terrible.
  - SilverRed 5y ago
    Both Apple and Google scan your cloud synced files. Neither of them claim to scan your local only files. So the choice is rather pointless as they both hold the same position.
    - lern_too_spel 5y ago
      Android lets you use your own service with the same features as Google's or Apple's. iOS does not.
      - SilverRed 5y ago
stefan_ 5y ago
Sounds like the buried lede here is that the biggest company in the world is having it's products actively being interfered with by a small shed in Israel run by war criminals. Presumably in this world in 2021 we have mechanisms other than finding their digital fingerprints to stop that.
- detcader 5y ago
  Imagine if it was a Russian shed
- viktorcode 5y ago
  Can you please elaborate why you think NSO group is run by war criminals?
  - 2rsf 5y ago
    And they don't work out of a small shed. But the metaphor is not that bad, those guys walk on the edge of the law probably passing to the wrong side more than once but never being caught
grishka 5y ago
A shame there's apparently no update coming out for Mojave.
- pcdoodle 5y ago
  So much for backwards compatibility. The last of MacOS to support 32bit apps... I wonder if running as a standard user would offer some form of protection.

by r00fus 5y ago

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sneak 5y ago

Pretty soon the choice will be between: - vulnerable to the latest published exploits or - vulnerable to clientside scanning of your media for wrongthink by Apple for the CCP Smash that iOS update button and do your part for the party!

samtheprogram 5y ago
The irony is that if you’re not updated to the latest iOS, the easier (cheaper?) it is for the CCP to run surveillance exploits on your device a la the Uighurs. You can either trust Apple, or lose all security updates.
Syonyk 5y ago
> Pretty soon the choice will be between What about "Don't use Apple products"? I know that Android is just as bad in many ways... And if all options in the modern tech industry basket of choice are terrible, well... humanity survived without them for an awfully long time. I've gone back to a flip phone from an iPhone. I no longer use Windows if I can at all avoid it (there exist a few sysadmin tasks involving netbooting Mikrotik devices for major OS updates that are far less painful on Windows than other OSes), and have no plans to let Win11 in my life. And Apple is heading out the door too. Throw in my dislike of Intel, and... yeah, it's getting pretty thin pickings. I still have an iPad with no accounts on it as a PDF reader, but I'd like to replace that with something else (Remarkable or such). "Agh, this is soooo terrible, but I'm going to keep using it!" just means, in practice, it's not that terrible.
- novok 5y ago
  Good for you, not good for %99.99 of the population. For nation states, that is mission accomplished! You never get %100 compliance with anything with large numbers.
- haswell 5y ago
  > "Agh, this is soooo terrible, but I'm going to keep using it!" just means, in practice, it's not that terrible. I don't think this is the only conclusion here. I think we should acknowledge just how central personal computing devices are in society in 2021. Sure, it's true that humanity survived without them, but at that time, societal norms were drastically different. Removing tech from daily life today can be crippling, and that's part of what makes some of these issues so terrible. They directly threaten our daily lives. I'd argue that it's possible for the thing to be "very terrible", and to conclude that it's still your only option to continue using the Apple/Google ecosystem. - Not all users have the financial means to switch. The iPhone they own is the one phone they'll buy for the next 3-4 years. - A growing number of users have only an iDevice and no standalone PC. Couple this with #1, and things get even more difficult. - The utility afforded by the Apple ecosystem is high enough (or virtually required depending on one's job) that it outweighs the current set of downsides. If a corner store owner pays a weekly fee to the local gang "for protection", it doesn't necessarily follow that because the owner chooses to pay the fee, the extortion must not be soooo terrible.
- SilverRed 5y ago
  Both Apple and Google scan your cloud synced files. Neither of them claim to scan your local only files. So the choice is rather pointless as they both hold the same position.
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    Android lets you use your own service with the same features as Google's or Apple's. iOS does not.
    - SilverRed 5y ago

stefan_ 5y ago

Sounds like the buried lede here is that the biggest company in the world is having it's products actively being interfered with by a small shed in Israel run by war criminals. Presumably in this world in 2021 we have mechanisms other than finding their digital fingerprints to stop that.

detcader 5y ago
Imagine if it was a Russian shed
viktorcode 5y ago
Can you please elaborate why you think NSO group is run by war criminals?
- 2rsf 5y ago
  And they don't work out of a small shed. But the metaphor is not that bad, those guys walk on the edge of the law probably passing to the wrong side more than once but never being caught

grishka 5y ago

A shame there's apparently no update coming out for Mojave.

pcdoodle 5y ago
So much for backwards compatibility. The last of MacOS to support 32bit apps... I wonder if running as a standard user would offer some form of protection.