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I recently learned of this group through the Dark Net Diaries podcast. The host does a pretty good job of covering the NSO group in episode 99 and 100. https:/
by giarc 5y ago
I recently learned of this group through the Dark Net Diaries podcast. The host does a pretty good job of covering the NSO group in episode 99 and 100.
https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/ https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/
- adamgordonbell 5y agoThose episodes were great! It sounded like NSO group just considers loosing zero days like this a cost of doing business. There seemed to be an implication that they have a war chest of these exploits and expect them to each get burnt after a certain amount of usage.
- DSingularity 5y agoI wonder what the US response would have been if the NSO group was an Iranian business.
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- drexlspivey 5y agoThey were paid $55m for a single contract with Saudi Arabia, this money alone are enough to buy you tons of 0-days
- bostik 5y ago> cost of doing business That's exactly what it is. These companies buy, research and stockpile exploits, and keep a few always at ready for when the currently deployed ones get burned. All exploits have a shelf life, and the more widely one is used, the more likely it is to get caught. Because let's not forget: NSO and their ilk are not in the business of developing exploits. That's just their raw material. They are in the business of selling weapons-grade espionage and surveillance capabilities.
- badRNG 5y agoThis episode just came out last week, and this is the second time NSO has made news since it aired (along with Germany being a confirmed client.) Surprisingly apropos, but I imagine Jack's disappointed the big news makes it just after his episode's release on the subject.
- charlchi 5y agoSomeone remind me why Germany needs to be installing Israeli spyware onto citizens phones? We know this software's only purpose is to track down wrongthink and then murder dissidents. Massive blow to the integrity of European telecoms.
- fortran77 5y agoThe NSO Group is owned by Novalpina Capital, a British private Equity firm. It's not really accurate to call it "Israeli Spyware"
- slim 5y agoWho owns Novalpina Capital ?
- photochemsyn 5y agoGuardianUK says: "The Guardian reported this year that hundreds of thousands of euros of Yana Peel’s legal bills were expensed to the NSO Group by her husband – another move that apparently angered his partners. Stephen Peel’s lawyers said at that time that the “manner” in which the legal fees were paid had been approved by Kowski and Lueken, and he strongly disputed the suggestion that the payment of the expense claims was a source of disagreement between the partners. Peel, Lueken and Kowski are all now involved in a legal dispute over the future ownership of the firm they created." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/09/uk-financier-loses-latest-round-in-fight-over-future-of-nso-group https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/09/uk-financier-l...
- saagarjha 5y ago
- trangus_1985 5y agoIf you're interested in infosec/appsec, DND is a great place to get started. The host packages up stories in a well put-together way, has no qualms about breaking to explain a concept or term, and does it all within an hour.
- Operyl 5y agoI heavily recommend reading “This is How They Tell Me The World Ends” written by one of the guests he had in episode 98, Nicole Perlroth (which also touched a little on the NSO in that episode). She’s The NY Times cybersecurity reporter. A lot of the book focused on the NSO, among others.
- malshe 5y agoThat book is fantastic and scary!
- ehsankia 5y agoThe noteworthy angle/point the podcast covers is that NSO is very likely indirectly trying to dig dirt on citizenlab people (same people the post above is from) as they regularly discover their exploits and cost them money. As Jack talks about at the end, this puts NSO group into a whole other category if the above is indeed true.