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> In a generation or two, children will look with disgust on the aging adults who routinely ignored the horrors of ongoing animal abuse (by consuming meat). I

> In a generation or two, children will look with disgust on the aging adults who routinely ignored the horrors of ongoing animal abuse (by consuming meat). I suspect it's hard to find a place to watch it, but "Carnage" addresses this very point. I highly recommend it for meat eaters and non-meat eaters alike. > Carnage is a 2017 mockumentary directed by Simon Amstell. Set in the year 2067, when veganism is the norm, the film looks back on meat-eating today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnage_(2017_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnage_(2017_film)

judge2020 5y ago
No futuristic films have come true when they try to predict society changing - ideas and beliefs are passed on from generation to generation. Food is much more sticky since meat-eating humans are likely to feed their children meat. When they come of age to understand things like veganism (beyond "vegans choose not to eat meat"), the fact that they've been eating meat for years will play a large part in whether or not they even consider taking on those new morals.
- mahathu 5y ago
  vegetarians choose not to eat meat. vegans choose not to consume animal products, e.g. often also avoid leather shoes and similar products not necessarily limited to food
disneygibson 5y ago
As they say, science fiction doesn’t predict the future, it just communicates what present people think about the future. The “future generations will look back at us in horror” and “we’re on the Right Side of history” are both nonsensical positions that have zero historical basis and function more as a religious eschatology than as a serious scientific prediction.
- yboris 5y ago
  I must be misunderstanding you, because your claim sounds absurd to me. You seem to be claiming that making a prediction about the future is inappropriate. I don't understand what "zero historical basis" even means. A prediction is just that -- a claim of what the person uttering it expects will happen in the future. The prediction is falsifiable (could turn out to be false). So what's the problem with making a claim about how you think the future will be?
  - disneygibson 5y ago
    No, I am claiming that the narrative of ever-marching progress (of which vegetarianism is a often participant) is just a narrative and not a serious prediction based on analysis and data. You can see a similar thing with religion. The progress narrative says we will outgrow these supposedly outdated myths, while the actual data indicates that religion is growing, largely due to birth rates.
    - yboris 5y ago
      You are claiming that people who make predictions of this sort are not making a "serious" prediction. And I am claiming that you don't get to say that. You may dismiss their predictions; you may feel they are worthless to listen to; you might have an explanation for why we shouldn't take such predictions seriously. I can agree with all that. But none of this makes my claim any less of a prediction. My claim is that in the future people will have a certain point of view. That is what a prediction is. I am confident you know that predictions can be false, and calling something a prediction doesn't mean "it will come true" or "it is more likely to come true than not". I'm just puzzled about your use of the word "prediction" -- perhaps we mean different things.
- cecilpl2 5y ago
  > As they say, science fiction doesn’t predict the future, it just communicates what present people think about the future. What is a prediction, other than a statement about what present people think about the future?
  - disneygibson 5y ago
    Predictions involve data, analysis of trends, etc. What people think about the future is based mostly on popular culture and the individual’s particular life situation.

judge2020 5y ago

No futuristic films have come true when they try to predict society changing - ideas and beliefs are passed on from generation to generation. Food is much more sticky since meat-eating humans are likely to feed their children meat. When they come of age to understand things like veganism (beyond "vegans choose not to eat meat"), the fact that they've been eating meat for years will play a large part in whether or not they even consider taking on those new morals.

mahathu 5y ago
vegetarians choose not to eat meat. vegans choose not to consume animal products, e.g. often also avoid leather shoes and similar products not necessarily limited to food

disneygibson 5y ago

As they say, science fiction doesn’t predict the future, it just communicates what present people think about the future. The “future generations will look back at us in horror” and “we’re on the Right Side of history” are both nonsensical positions that have zero historical basis and function more as a religious eschatology than as a serious scientific prediction.

yboris 5y ago
I must be misunderstanding you, because your claim sounds absurd to me. You seem to be claiming that making a prediction about the future is inappropriate. I don't understand what "zero historical basis" even means. A prediction is just that -- a claim of what the person uttering it expects will happen in the future. The prediction is falsifiable (could turn out to be false). So what's the problem with making a claim about how you think the future will be?
- disneygibson 5y ago
  No, I am claiming that the narrative of ever-marching progress (of which vegetarianism is a often participant) is just a narrative and not a serious prediction based on analysis and data. You can see a similar thing with religion. The progress narrative says we will outgrow these supposedly outdated myths, while the actual data indicates that religion is growing, largely due to birth rates.
  - yboris 5y ago
    You are claiming that people who make predictions of this sort are not making a "serious" prediction. And I am claiming that you don't get to say that. You may dismiss their predictions; you may feel they are worthless to listen to; you might have an explanation for why we shouldn't take such predictions seriously. I can agree with all that. But none of this makes my claim any less of a prediction. My claim is that in the future people will have a certain point of view. That is what a prediction is. I am confident you know that predictions can be false, and calling something a prediction doesn't mean "it will come true" or "it is more likely to come true than not". I'm just puzzled about your use of the word "prediction" -- perhaps we mean different things.
cecilpl2 5y ago
> As they say, science fiction doesn’t predict the future, it just communicates what present people think about the future. What is a prediction, other than a statement about what present people think about the future?
- disneygibson 5y ago
  Predictions involve data, analysis of trends, etc. What people think about the future is based mostly on popular culture and the individual’s particular life situation.