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Panel of Scientists Determines Most People Don't Need Boosters; Moderna Plummets

34 points by tomohawk 5y ago

bigcorp-slave 5y ago
Moderna plummets.. from 456 to 419, up from 63 a year ago? Plummets is not exactly the word I would use.
- colecut 5y ago
  I guess they meant plummeted in the bitcoin sense
zimpenfish 5y ago
"Panel of Scientists Determines Most People Don't Need Boosters" is somewhat misleading; it's more like "panel of scientists caution against boosters for now, more research needed, also consider prioritising the unvaccinated first".
everybodyknows 5y ago
Direct link to copy of Lancet study: https://www.scribd.com/document/524998636/s-0140673621020468#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/524998636/s-0140673621020468...
armchairhacker 5y ago
I’m sure most people don’t need boosters but really, what’s the harm in giving them access? Specifically if the vaccines are otherwise wasted, since it seems like most places are wasting a lot. Yeah we need to vaccinate the unvaccinated first, but most of these people in first-world countries are unvaccinated by choice, and i don’t think most first-world countries can ship their unused vaccines to third-world countries. I’m fine without a booster, but i know others who are really nervous, particularly others who are older or immunocompromised but don’t qualify. Even if they don’t need boosters, the peace of mind alone will help.
- Fjolsvith 5y ago
  It really burns my butt that all those people who don't take their multivitamins are making my multivitamin not work. We need to force multivitamins on the unsupplemented!
  - skyde 5y ago
    that is a great idea
derbOac 5y ago
For a counterperspective: https://www.science.org/content/article/israel-s-covid-19-boosters-are-preventing-infections-new-studies-suggest https://www.science.org/content/article/israel-s-covid-19-bo... https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vac... https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coronavirus/covid-19-infection-survey/finalfinalcombinedve20210816.pdf https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coronavirus/covid-19-infectio... https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/24/as-delta-spread-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-from-90-to-66-in-one-key-study/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/24/as-delta-spread-covid-19... One article I read was pointing out that the timing of delta effectiveness studies is key, as the base rates of vaccinations and delta changed rapidly with each other. I can't find it now but it was suggesting that because of this it's important to focus on studies from later periods when both were higher. I understand the arguments that booster timing is probably important, and that increasing vaccination rates is more important than boosters. However: 1. The idea that you're going to magically just make everyone unvaccinated get vaccinated seems like a questionable assumption. Maybe this is something to read between the lines, that the FDA is pushing to mandate vaccinations instead (thus Biden's announcements). But then they should be clear that that's where they're going. In the meantime, you're spiting the already vaccinated to try to control the unvaccinated. Is this what we want from the FDA? 2. There's this oft-repeated assertion that boosters should be held off to increase vaccine supply. But is there any evidence that administering boosters would affect 1st-2nd dose availability? We've had these available for months now and I'm very skeptical that administering boosters would do anything other than use up supplies that are sitting there unused. Meanwhile by the time the FDA acts we'll be in the third major variant phase. Yes, severe illness among the vaccinated is rare. But every one of those cases that could have been protected by a booster was a preventable case. From my perspective, it is not the FDA (or the government's) job to evaluate the need for approval of a booster. It's their job to evaluate the safety of a booster product being sold. I would go so far as to say even if the booster did nothing, if it was safe, it should be approved (note that it has already been given full approval, really). But with evidence that it does something it should doubly so be approved. The FDA already approved the vaccine. It's not their job to approve when it it is given. That's between someone and their provider.
- 5y ago

34 points by tomohawk 5y ago

bigcorp-slave 5y ago

Moderna plummets.. from 456 to 419, up from 63 a year ago? Plummets is not exactly the word I would use.

colecut 5y ago
I guess they meant plummeted in the bitcoin sense

zimpenfish 5y ago

"Panel of Scientists Determines Most People Don't Need Boosters" is somewhat misleading; it's more like "panel of scientists caution against boosters for now, more research needed, also consider prioritising the unvaccinated first".

everybodyknows 5y ago

Direct link to copy of Lancet study: https://www.scribd.com/document/524998636/s-0140673621020468#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/524998636/s-0140673621020468...

armchairhacker 5y ago

I’m sure most people don’t need boosters but really, what’s the harm in giving them access? Specifically if the vaccines are otherwise wasted, since it seems like most places are wasting a lot. Yeah we need to vaccinate the unvaccinated first, but most of these people in first-world countries are unvaccinated by choice, and i don’t think most first-world countries can ship their unused vaccines to third-world countries. I’m fine without a booster, but i know others who are really nervous, particularly others who are older or immunocompromised but don’t qualify. Even if they don’t need boosters, the peace of mind alone will help.

Fjolsvith 5y ago
It really burns my butt that all those people who don't take their multivitamins are making my multivitamin not work. We need to force multivitamins on the unsupplemented!
- skyde 5y ago
  that is a great idea

derbOac 5y ago

For a counterperspective: https://www.science.org/content/article/israel-s-covid-19-boosters-are-preventing-infections-new-studies-suggest https://www.science.org/content/article/israel-s-covid-19-bo... https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vac... https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coronavirus/covid-19-infection-survey/finalfinalcombinedve20210816.pdf https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coronavirus/covid-19-infectio... https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/24/as-delta-spread-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-from-90-to-66-in-one-key-study/ https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/24/as-delta-spread-covid-19... One article I read was pointing out that the timing of delta effectiveness studies is key, as the base rates of vaccinations and delta changed rapidly with each other. I can't find it now but it was suggesting that because of this it's important to focus on studies from later periods when both were higher. I understand the arguments that booster timing is probably important, and that increasing vaccination rates is more important than boosters. However: 1. The idea that you're going to magically just make everyone unvaccinated get vaccinated seems like a questionable assumption. Maybe this is something to read between the lines, that the FDA is pushing to mandate vaccinations instead (thus Biden's announcements). But then they should be clear that that's where they're going. In the meantime, you're spiting the already vaccinated to try to control the unvaccinated. Is this what we want from the FDA? 2. There's this oft-repeated assertion that boosters should be held off to increase vaccine supply. But is there any evidence that administering boosters would affect 1st-2nd dose availability? We've had these available for months now and I'm very skeptical that administering boosters would do anything other than use up supplies that are sitting there unused. Meanwhile by the time the FDA acts we'll be in the third major variant phase. Yes, severe illness among the vaccinated is rare. But every one of those cases that could have been protected by a booster was a preventable case. From my perspective, it is not the FDA (or the government's) job to evaluate the need for approval of a booster. It's their job to evaluate the safety of a booster product being sold. I would go so far as to say even if the booster did nothing, if it was safe, it should be approved (note that it has already been given full approval, really). But with evidence that it does something it should doubly so be approved. The FDA already approved the vaccine. It's not their job to approve when it it is given. That's between someone and their provider.

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